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He's not done, but he can't do big minutes. CJ is valuable in that he can run the PG to save Manu some energy in the post season.
Parker is a star. This really isn't debatable. He also the best PG in the league. 21pts, 53% FG 7.7 asts. He is the only player not named Lebron putting up those numbers. He finished 5th in MVP voting and is likely to finish 3rd this season. At the very least he is a star.
He's not done, but he can't do big minutes. CJ is valuable in that he can run the PG to save Manu some energy in the post season.
If Manu had done what Tony has done for the past three seasons, there'd be a Spurstalk sponsored statue of Manu near the Alamo. How many times does Tony have to come in the top 10 in MVP voting to be considered a "star"?
I will buy that then. Billups was a star for the Pistons. Same with Rip Hamilton. Stars..
wtf did I just read?
top 3 pg in the league is not a star
Yes, youre right.
Rip Hamilton's career = Tony's career
There have only been 20 star players in NBA history. I hope The Admiral makes the list.
Well, it depends on how you define 'star'... To me, Duncan, Durant, Kobe, Lebron, Shaq, Robinson... those are stars... franchise caliber players, IMO.
It's entirely possible you define it in a different way.
Disagree. I think CP3 is the best PG in the league.
Manu was an All-Star too exactly 3 seasons ago, a season where TP didn't make it. And nobody is getting a statue other then Duncan, IMO.
I'm going to sleep. Tomorrow morning I'll check out the rest of your takes on how Ben Gordon's career = Tony's career.
For comparison, Westbrook isn't a 'star' under my criteria either. You couldn't build a franchise around him and win at the same pace the Thunder are winning if Durant wouldn't be there.
That's your argument. AFAIK, Ben Gordon never been an All-Star, so he would be below Tony.
manu is done should have been traded for haren last year
most here that that the thunder would be getting a steal
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Glad to have you back.
so under your criteria, the NBA as of right now is composed of no more than 5 stars and the rest are non-stars correct?
funny so wade is not a star either cause he would not lead a team to a win rate similar to the thunder apparently
It doesn't need a statistician to explain how unscientific it is to draw conclusion based on one game.
If the OP is true, how about the first the first 2 games or so when TP is out (Manu > LeBron
lmao at how mad you are
Splitter in his worst game of his career actually contributed in other ways
including 11 rebounds in 22 minutes
and assisting ginobili on his only baskets
being the catalyst for the huge lead at the start til Ginobili came and erased all his work
Splitter should probably file for a sexual harassment lawsuit after this game tbh with how much contact they were allowing on him
ginobili is just trash shooting stepback 3s and tripping over himself
Splitter actually has the harder defensive assignment as well at guarding the perimeter bigs instead of getting to stand near the basket and pad his blocks
Ginobili just gambles and fails at everything at this point on the defensive end now
Nah... I think the NBA is composed of a some stars, some former stars, some all-stars, some role players, some rooks, some scrubs and so on...so under your criteria, the NBA as of right now is composed of no more than 5 stars and the rest are non-stars correct?
funny so wade is not a star either cause he would not lead a team to a win rate similar to the thunder apparently
I'm glad you asked, btw...
As I said, I meant no slight to Tony when I said he wasn't a franchise-caliber player (or 'star' under my criteria). He's still up there with the most talented players in the league.
I'm fine with different people having different definitions of 'star'. This isn't the first or last time it's been discussed.
Splitters had multiple games this year wheres hes scored 20+ points on super efficiency and was the catalyst in the comebacks
such as the Bucks Celtics and Knicks game
and its funny how defensive the manusuckers get when i drop truth bombs
they deflect the question and attack splitter
im not a splitter homer despite the username
but everyone who watches the spurs should know that Splitter is more important to the Spurs this year then Manu
it wasnt until Ginobili missed half the season last year that SA really went on a roll
right so again, by your definition, there are abour a handful of stars in the NBA. and Wade, Kobe, Westbrook, Parker are not.
just making sure.
by my definition, the team's mvp and best player is a star. especially in a team at the top of the NBA recordwise. most analyst and fans go with my definition btw
They don't need Ginobili to be a star anymore, hopefully Pop and even Manu himself realize this in the playoffs..
Manu can be a high-end role player, at this point, which is fine..every team needs championship-level, proven guys to play key roles, and Manu can certainly provide that..he cannot consistently fit the role of creator, but he's still a great spot-up shooter, he's still a good passer and he can still draw charges/bring intangibles..
The Spurs have simply reached a point where they cannot stubbornly rely on Ginobili for star power, and they cannot depend on him to run the offense on every play..the beauty of Ginobili's skill-set is that he's a very good off-ball player, which could still allow him to thrive in the system..
Pop needs to realize that it's time for a shift in roles..Leonard's confidence is high, he's young, it's time that he moves up in the hierarchy, while allowing Ginobili to potentially succeed in a reduced role..
You really suck at reading
I think Miami built around Wade in 2006 and he delivered. Same applies to Dirk. So they would both fit my franchise-caliber criteria.
As I said, I have no problem how everyone else decides to define 'star'.
With Kawhi starting I don't even think there's much overlap. At the end of games you'll still probably going to see TP/Manu/Kawhi/TD/Tiago... if Green has the hot hand from downtown, I wouldn't even be surprised if he fills in at SG.
If you don't fail to realize that Manu ginobili is done at this point and time WHEN THE SEASON IS NEAR ITS END then you're completely Bonkers! He's still a good player and has some gas left in him but he needs to know his role by now. We have been complaining about him from ever since the season start. I don't know if it's his injury's plaguing him but it's sad to watch what his career has came to at this point. I won't lie...the last 3 of the last 4 games we lost i could solidly blame them on Ginobili. We cannot enter the playoffs with Manu playing the way he is now...we won't win. He lacks confidence and seems to be limited physically, I love manu...but like Flav Flav said in his show...Your time is up. The spurs should go to Kawhi, Danny Green, Tony Parker and Tim Duncan (Playing Solid) if they wanna have some chance at the playoffs. At this point as i see it the spurs offense should look like this (1) Tony Parker (2) Kawhi (3) Duncan (4) Green (5) Splitter (6) Neal (7) Ginobili and the rest is just other players contributing a little touch here and there.
Now the breakdown of my analysis.
Tony Parker - Is great at driving to the hoop. He's extremely fast. Good at drawing Fouls. Gets more And 1's than all players on the team. Great Passer. Simply the best offensive player the spurs have. Once he isn't turning over the ball, TP is a complete BEAST!
Kawhi Leonard - The reason i put him ahead of Duncan is because he's much younger and seems to have more consistency in his game. He's a great hustler. Can drive to the Basket. Creates his own shot. Has a better FG% than most players on the team. His strength to get to the hoop and ability to force players in to turnovers is phenomenal. If we lose him, we lose a chance at championship this year.
Tim Duncan- Just be yourself...be Tim Duncan. Do what Duncan do.
Danny Green - Once he is on the court with the starting lineup, his ability to hit the 3 ball increase significantly. He seems a lot more confident with these guys on the court. The Spurs are gonna need him to be draining that good stuff in the playoffs.
Tiago - Just do what Tiago is supposed to do, and make sure it goes in. Play strong defense, you're 7ft tall.
Gary Neal - I wont lie, when he gets hot, he hits shots! eg. Houston game, and Cleveland game...Gary Neal is a good player once he has strong defenders on the court with him.
To conclude...we can't be playing lazy at any given night. Never show your opponents your weakness. Spurs have a problem of being exposed easily...THE SYSTEM!!!
I was more disappointed with Pop tonight than Ginobli. We were rolling, up 12, with the starting five we had out there. Then Pop took all of them out...put in blair, neal, diaw, etc, and we immediately struggled, lost the lead, and got routed. By the time we put all the starters back in together it was too late. But yea, Ginobli has turned over into a turnover machine. For some reason the ball regularly is in his hands while bringing the ball up the court. Sometimes he even acts like a point guard. He's not. And neither is Gary Neal. Tony Parker and Cory Joseph are the only TRUE point guards on this team that can be trusted to not turn the ball over. Ginobli and Neal really need to be sat down and explained the situation. They're great players, and we need them on offense, but PLEASE, for the love of GOD, don't try to bring the ball up the floor. TP and CJ are more than capable of doing that.
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