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2011 Wade >>> 2013 Wade to be fair
The Heatles were still a damn good team just not as good as this years, I agree.What you're saying is purely subjective. Is there any evidence that the Thunder were any worse than they were a year later? They pretty much had the same team. tbh if you watched any of the games you'd know that Dirk going God-mode in game 1/game 4 was a pretty big reason why they won the series. It's not like the Thunder choked it away.
I do agree that the 2011 Heat are worse than 2013, but they were still a damn good team that beats any other WCF team that year
How is the Thunder take subjective? Harden was a promising player but he never put it together consistently until 2012. Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka made some strides as well. Kind of unrealistic to expect them to go all the way to the Finals in the same year that they won their first playoff series. With some experience under their belt and continued development its completely reasonable to say the 2012 Thunder were stronger than 2011.
Never said the Mavs le wasnt surprising or that they werent underdogs at times.rofl pretty much puts an end to det debate
Its pretty difficult to reach four consecutive Finals tbh. Lakers werent pushovers either years by any means...but do the '03 Spurs beat the '00 or '01 Lakers for example? Or the '11 Mavs beat the '09 or '10 Lakers? Id probably say no to either one and I dont really care as a spurfan if that 'discredits' '03. A le is a le tbh, and besides Ive always felt that le team was our weakest. Manu and Tony were still way too green and DRob was on the cusp of retirement. Legendary performance by Timmy but just an average championship team.
2011 Wade >>> 2013 Wade to be fair
wow lots of homer opinions and delusional posts in here. Let's add some logic to the thread
this would be a very close series and it's really hard to say which team is better. First of all take Miami out of the picture because that's another story. Now look at both teams head to head and you see 2 very close teams. I agree Dirk would go off because Spurs although have Kawhi and Diaw who IMO would guard him pretty well, also Spurs allow the long distance 2s which Dirk was pretty automatic at back then. So Dirk would easily average 30pts/game IMO.
Now if you consider Green's shooting, you would say, that plus Parker and Duncan would at least match Dirk's contribution. So again, it would be up to the role players. You seen manu is good for at least 1 monster game. At the same time, Barea and Kidd are probably good for 1 win. that leaves a series of 5 games and of course Home Court would be irrelevant in this series. this would be definitely a 7 game series and it would depend on how good a night Dirk has IMO. If Kawhi and Boris find the formula to guard him, Spurs win, otherwise Mavs win. My heart is Spurs in 7
Solid post but Terry was playing good basketball in the playoffs. Add Marion to the list and Chandler and it's even closer.
Aside from Dirk. The mav's strenght in '11 was the small guards. Barea and Terry were killer against the slow lakers and the miami heat, while not as slow, forced lebron to chase terry all game long. We would negate that easily with green and parker shadowing the lesser barea.
Today, spurs give up the long two, but that's because we have bullish strong and quick guards, long 2's who can punish you in this league.
Honeslty, Spurs in 6. And here's why, the spurs would likely meet the mavs in the early rounds where you'd have a fresh parker murdering them at will. Mav's in 7 if they scheme correctly to contain parker , or if they meet the spurs in the WCF.
Tony Parker would eat Jason Kidd alive per par etc
It's all about when they would meet up.
1st round. Spurs in 5
2nd round. Spurs in 6
WCF.. Mavs in either a close 6 or 7.
But the more Parker has to play heavy minutes, the more of his speed he loses.
Yeah, Parker definitely lost a bunch of speed after a couple weeks of playoff basketball by the time he got to the WCF vs the Grizz.
Splitter would be a very good Dirk defender, imho.
Parker would be guarded by JJB who's quicker and stronger, not to say that big daddy would block every lay-up parker attemtps in the paint. Our D was solid enough in 11, that we would force the spurs to live on jumpers and 3 pointers. They can beat us the 07' warriors way if they let all horse s fall, otherwise we would beat the spurs with comfort.
2013 LeBron >>> 2011 LeBron
I can't stand that kind of revisionist history. Just like everyone pretends Detroit winning the 04 le wasn't some huge upset just because they went Eagle on Kobe. The 2011 Mavs were the trendy pick to go out in the first to Portland.I already explained it tbh. you can't sit here and act like everybody wasn't picking the two time defending champion Lakers (who were 20-6 going into the playoffs) to beat Dallas in the 2nd round. That's why it's revisionist history to say "Well obviously they weren't the same team.
I think it's funny how they beat the defending champs, yet they're 'running on fumes' and then beat the two teams who would meet in the Finals the next year when they're just 'not as good'. So Dallas beat the current champs, and then the two teams who were pretty much next in line yet it somehow magically fell into place that the three teams were either 'too old' or 'not experienced enough yet'. How convenient
Green/Kawhi would take Terry/JJB out of the game, and that's the end of the Mavs.
everytime i see durant82 post i think its technique because of the glitter kitty
jj barea has never proven to be a decent tony defender.
This. I think we might as well assume Parker would all over Dallas until proven otherwise
The only player who was successful in dismantling the Dallas D was D-Wade in the Finals.. Bryant, Westbrook were neutralized
I mean where would one assume barea could guard parker??
So dallas neutralized two jumpshooters. Cool story bro.
Dallas D was great, but not enough to stop parker of 13. Parker is a different beast this year, and he has a better jumpshot and more versatile game.
JJ barea would not be a threat against these spurs, spurs have better perimeter defenders this year.
Spurs in 6
Spurs in 4.
I also think the Spurs offensive sets are good at finding the holes in the Dallas zone. All the funky cuts, more or less forced rotations, and elbow jumpers give the Spurs a lot of promising options -- though if anyone can find good counters, it's Carlisle. Chandler is clearly the best inside defender in the series, but the Spurs would be constantly trying to force him out of position, and succeeding at least some of the time.
Danny Green doesn't explode for a zillion 3s because the Mavs are playing him in a more disciplined way than the Heat have been, but the flipside is that Parker is getting guys good shots off the drive.
Kawhi and Diaw are capable of doing a credible job on Dirk -- you could make a case that they're the Spurs' two best matchups for Dirk that the Spurs have had in his whole career.
Chandler doesn't do much on offense, and that allows the Spurs to clog the lane a bit, and hurts Dallas's ability to score efficiently inside. The end result might end up being a lot of jump shots -- but the Mavs were great at jump shots.
I think I like the Spurs in the matchup thanks to a huge series from Parker, but I'm not an expert on the '11 Mavs, so I might be missing something important.
False on Diaw. Diaw did a terrible job on Dirk in Phoenix so I don't think the overweight version would do much better. Kawhi on Dirk would be interesting tho
Chandler had a solid ft area jumpshot. Clogging the paint would just open up for the shooters. Didn't barea go HAM against the spurs in 09?
Aw, man! I missed game 6?!
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