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It is obviously more about money than his desire to play in the NBA. Currently, he is in a position to get only one of those two desires...sounds like he made his choice.
well this might be what you say, but alot of people are claiming that because he's undersized, all of a sudden he's no good, the scouts soured on him yadda yadda... its in threads like this one. and if the scouts soured on him, and he's undersized etc... why are we still talking about buyouts?
i like oberto, but all i'm saying is that he's undersized and from europe too. as soon as we got him, the same people bashing scola... were the first to remind everyone that he's considered a top 10 player in europe...Again it's about team needs. With Tim Duncan and Horry at PF, there's not really much place for Scola right now. Sure, if he was willing and able to come on the cheap and play spot minutes, then that would be fine. Again, no one is saying that Oberto could flourish here either. Just that he addresses a need for the Spurs - defense and rebounding upfront.
which... "doesnt mean jack" to alot of people.
It is obviously more about money than his desire to play in the NBA. Currently, he is in a position to get only one of those two desires...sounds like he made his choice.
Damn, this thread is hilarious.
Some people are reacting like someone kicked their damn dog.
Look, it is up to Scola and his agent to negotiate with Tau. They couldn't get it done, plain and simple. That is not the fault of the Spurs.
And truth be known, his agent wasn't trying that hard, hoping to get more money (well, the whole MLE anyway) out of the Spurs by playing the whole "whoa is us, we gotta come up with $$ for a buyout" card, to which the Spurs promptly (and appropriately said "fine, we'll take Oberto for less."
Further, some of you act like the guy is the friggin' second coming, some sort of genetic cross-breed between Michael Jordan and Kareem.
Look, the guy is a hustling, undersized PF who made the arrogant Team USA kiddies (namely Jermaine O'Neal) look like chumps. That doesn't mean he's ready to start the All-Star game next year.
Good lord, the guy said *in his own words* that Oberto played better defense and did better on the glass. Think about that, try to make some sense of it (a real challenge for some of you), and STFU.
Why should we overpay this guy when he freely admits someone we signed for half of his asking price is better at the two things we need out of our backup bigs - rebounding and defense?
It doesn't make any sense. Some of you appear to have gotten caught up in the hype machine. That's understandable, but you need to realize when the facts of the situation are telling another tale altogether.
Finally, think about this - Manu took the LLE to come here. Do you really think Scola is double what Manu was when he came in, when he hasn't proven it going up against NBA caliber compe ion for an entire season? THINK.
As for the Spurs "holding him back", that is so comical. Do you really think the Spurs WANT to keep from getting better? Do you think that's something that RC really thinks about every day?
I mean some of you make it out like RC drives to work every morning thinking how he can screw Scola and keep the team from getting better. Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Scola and his agent tried to play the mo' money game with the Spurs front office, and lost. It doesn't mean the Spurs suck. It doesn't mean they're not trying to get better. It doesn't mean they're trying to screw Scola.
The only two people responsible for Scola's situation are Luis Scola and his agent.
Deal with it.
OK...you Jumior GM's that want to trade Scola's rights...heres your list of first round picks. He would need to go to a team that needed an NBA ready power forward and Spurs would probably want a young small forward with a lot of upside. The team Spurs were trading with would also need to have enough cap space to pay Scola enough so that he could handle the buyout this summer.
Get you calculators out and give me a scenario...
First Round
# Team Player Pos Ht Wt B-day College
1 Mil Andrew Bogut .......... C 7-0 245 11/28/84 Utah'07
2 Atl Marvin Williams ....... F 6-9 230 6/19/86 North Carolina'08
3 Uta Deron Williams ........ G 6-3 210 6/26/84 Illinois'06
4 NO Chris Paul ............ G 6-0 175 5/6/85 Wake Forest'07
5 Cha Raymond Felton ........ G 6-1 198 6/26/84 North Carolina'06
6 Por Martell Webster ....... G-F 6-7 210 12/4/86 Seattle Prep HS
7 Tor Charlie Villanueva .... F 6-11 240 8/24/84 Connecticut'07
8 NY Channing Frye ......... C 6-11 248 5/17/83 Arizona'05
9 GS Ike Diogu ............. F 6-8 250 9/11/83 Arizona State'06
10 LAL Andrew Bynum .......... C 7-0 285 10/27/87 St Joseph HS
11 Orl Fran Vazquez .......... F-C 6-10 238 5/1/83 Spain
12 LAC Yaroslav Korolev ...... F 6-9 203 5/7/87 Russia
13 Cha Sean May .............. F 6-9 266 4/4/84 North Carolina'06
14 Min Rashad McCants ........ G 6-4 207 11/25/84 North Carolina'06
15 NJ Antoine Wright ........ G-F 6-7 210 2/6/84 Texas A&M'06
16 Tor Joey Graham ........... F 6-7 225 6/11/82 Oklahoma State'05
17 Ind Danny Granger ......... F 6-8 225 4/20/83 New Mexico'05
18 Bos Gerald Green .......... F 6-8 200 1/26/86 Gulf Shores Academy
19 Mem Hakim Warrick ......... F 6-9 219 7/8/82 Syracuse'05
20 Den Julius Hodge .......... G 6-7 210 11/18/83 NC State'05
21 aNY Nate Robinson ......... G 5-9 180 5/31/84 Washington'06
22 bPor Jarrett Jack .......... G 6-3 202 10/28/83 Georgia Tech'06
23 Sac Francisco Garcia ...... F-G 6-7 195 12/31/81 Louisville'06
24 Hou Luther Head ........... G 6-3 185 11/26/82 Illinois'05
25 Sea Johan Petro ........... C 7-0 247 1/27/86 France
26 Det Jason Maxiell ......... F 6-7 260 2/18/83 Cincinnati'05
27 bDen Linas Kleiza .......... F 6-8 245 1/3/85 Missouri'07
28 SA Ian Mahinmi ........... F 6-10 230 11/5/86 France
29 Mia Wayne Simien .......... F 6-9 255 3/9/83 Kansas'05
30 NY David Lee ............. F 6-9 249 4/29/83 Florida'05
Everybody can say everything, but remember, when Scola will play in the Spurs, in his First year, remember all your words
Definitively Scola can play in the Spurs and also he can be the big Man who helps to TD in the clutch and in case TD loses some agmes, the team is going to need a player as Scola
I do not have doubts that San Antonio without Duncan never never will be the same, but either have doubts that with Oberto and Scola in the team we are not going to lose when for some reason we did not prune to count on Tim in the Team.
With Oberto and Scola and without Tim, is able to arrive far in playoffs and if in Playoff Tim is gotten to lose a pair of games, with them 2 in the team we could continue winning and not like this year that when Tim could not play many games we lost
tell scola to go see his mother
I love it how NO ONE on this board has any clue why it didn't work out. So you can't say that none of it was the spurs fault and you cant say that none of it is scola's fault. Point is, he is not coming. I am curios about whether there is a time limit on "rights". Do the Spurs have the rights to Scola forever or is there a time limit. If there isn't a time limit then that is crap for Scola and for every other player out there who is drafted and "kept" overseas.
Sorry Aggie, I disagree. Scola was not trying to play any game with the Spurs. The guy honestly wants to prove himself in the NBA. That doesn't mean he is going to make no money at all to come. He is a professional athete, it's not like he owns a supermarket or something. He needs to get paid. This is not about "feeding the family" crap. The deal could not be made because of the extremely high buyout with Tau.
Believe me, there was nothing he desired more than coming to the Spurs. For any international player, that is the ultimate goal. Prove yourself you are worthy of the NBA.
Why? Are you saying he is being a baby? Get a clue.
Okay so I am quoting my own quote, but as I read it, it didn't come out the way I intended it. What I meant was that no one knows all the details behind the situation. So we are unable to say why it didn't work out. So we are all just argue rumors and possibilities.
he can be packaged along with rasho or nazr for all i care? (for that small forward) this offseason, scola was going to be gravy... but all of a sudden when it looked like we might not get him... he's an undersized euro who wont amount to much. (thats just funny to me)
everyone throws out buzz phrases like "second coming" too. if someone says people call him the best euro power forward... he's not the second coming... theres got to be an in between?
how about closet gms with alot of time on their hands including lists... mention a few small forwards we non gms can choose from? cause at this point the guy is 25, going on 26... might as well strike while the iron is semi hot.
what does he want
we own his rights
we havent signed him or traded him
he's making millions over yonder, hes been offered millions over yonder
San Antonio sabe elegir argentinos
Scola le reconoció a Olé que no quedó enojado porque los Spurs prefirieron a Oberto. Y dijo: "Fabri les dará más cosas que yo".
Fue un golpe durísimo. Hace años que Luis Scola soñaba con la NBA pero ve cómo, año a año, la chance se le esfuma entre los dedos por esa bendita cláusula de rescisión, único motivo por el cual el MVP de la Liga ACB, la más exigente al margen de la estadounidense, no está donde se concentra la mayor cantidad de estrellas. El porteño, igual, aseguró no estar enojado con los Spurs o el Tau. "Al contrario, estoy contento por Fabri (NdeR: Oberto, elegido en su lugar), por Manu, que quería a alguno de los dos en el equipo, por la gran cantidad de hinchas de los Spurs que hay en el país y ahora tendrán a un gran jugador en el equipo…", le contó a Olé desde su casa, ubicada en Martín Coronado.
—Pero San Antonio coqueteó con vos. ¿No estás decepcionado con esta definición?
Siempre digo que a Jordan lo quieren todos los técnicos del mundo y al resto algunos sí, otros no. Los Spurs no tenían que prometerme nada, esto es un negocio. Cada uno hace lo que le conviene. Ellos no tienen una deuda conmigo. No se pudo dar por reglas, contratos, plazos… Y ya está. Nada más.
—No parecés enojado
Estoy contento por Fabri, que es uno de mis mejores amigos. Además, si lo pienso en frío, él encaja en el equipo mejor que yo. Fabri es un cinco y Duncan, un cuatro al que no le gusta jugar de cinco. Y yo soy un cuatro. Fabri les dará muchas cosas al equipo, más que yo, algunas que yo no puedo: defensa, rebotes, lo físico... Tiene más esas características y yo, como hincha de los Spurs, veo lo positivo. Además, como el protagonismo y los minutos de Rasho Nesterovic han bajado, tiene una gran oportunidad. Esa y la de ganar un anillo. Me alegra por él, yo sólo perdí una oportunidad
—Mejoraste mucho en esos aspectos que remarcás. ¿En serio creés que Oberto encaja mejor? Mirá que Horry, que es un cuatro, era el que mejor funcionaba con Duncan.
(Piensa) No lo sé, yo lo veo de esa manera...
—¿Recibiste una oferta antes?
No es que había una oferta. El tema fueron los plazos, las reglas. Pero no quiero hablar de eso públicamente. Sólo digo que se pinchó una chance, que hay 29 equipos más y que, de lo contrario, estoy muy bien en el Tau.
—Hay 29 equipos más pero los Spurs tienen tus derechos. ¿Pediste o vas a pedir que traspasen tus derechos?
Sí, porque es la única opción. Ellos los tienen pero no cuentan conmigo para el plantel. Hoy estoy descartado ahí, consumieron toda la plata y los puestos están cubiertos. Imagino que buscarán las soluciones para no desperdiciarme completamente.
—Se habla en San Antonio de que tu cláusula de salida llega a los 14.5 millones de dólares. ¿Esa cifra es correcta?
No es así. Esa cantidad es sólo si me quiero ir a un equipo de Europa y está bien clarita. Para la NBA es otra, diferente.
—¿Cuál?
No la voy a decir, sólo aclaro que casi nadie la acierta[/U].
—Tau no te quiere dejar ir pero corre el riesgo de que vos vuelvas de mala gana al club. ¿O no es así?
Yo aclaré siempre que mi sueño era la NBA, pero en Tau no quieren que me vaya. Hasta quieren alargar el contrato. En Tau he pasado cinco años maravillosos, es el club más importante en el que jugué y siempre jugaría ahí.
—¿Te bancás quedarte un año más en España?
Ya dije que quiero ir a la NBA este año. Lo saben.
—¿Cómo la ves?
Es todo muy reciente, hace días que pasó todo. Hay que ser paciente. Cada uno hará sus movimientos e imagino que ellos tendrán algún plan conmigo.
—¿Tan difícil es poder llevarse a Scola, como ahora lo hizo ver San Antonio?
No es tan complejo. Pero todavía no tengo ofertas en concreto. Debo esperar. Perdí otra chance pero todavía tengo fe.
De Luis, con calma
Sin enojo por lo que pasó con los Spurs
Así son las reglas de este negocio y yo las acepto. En verdad, no tengo motivos para estar enojado con los Spurs ni con el Tau".
El sueño máximo, en Estados Unidos
Mi sueño aún sigue siendo llegar a jugar en la NBA. Por suerte, plí varios con la Selección y el Tau. Por ahora me falta uno".
Cómo sigue su chance en la NBA
Parecía que estaba todo listo. San Antonio tenía sus derechos tras elegirlo en el draft 2002 y en la franquicia estaban convencidos de que era el jugador que necesitaban. RC Buford y Gregg Popovich se habían puesto de acuerdo: Scola era el elegido. Pero, además del análisis deportivo, estaba el financiero, quizá más importante. Los Spurs hicieron cuentas tras la renovación de Horry (costó más dinero del esperado) y enviaron una oferta un poco menor a 7.000.000 de dólares por tres años. Para Luis y su gente no resultaba del todo convincente, ya que de ese dinero debían deducir el pago de la cláusula (unos 3.200.000) y los impuestos (cercanos al 40%). Igual, mantuvieron la esperanza, que se esfumó por la complejidad contractual (no especifica una salida en caso de elección en segunda ronda, tal como pasó, algo que sí ocurre en primera) y la inflexibilidad del Tau (lo considera el jugador clave). San Antonio no quiso esperar el fin de la novela y tomó la segunda opción (Oberto) antes de que también se le escapara.
Ahora Luis la tiene más difícil. Necesita que los Spurs traspasen sus derechos a otra franquicia. Sus agentes ya lo pidieron. Pero no es fácil que suceda. El campeón puede no hacerlo si piensa sumarlo en el futuro. Si da el sí, querrá algo importante a cambio y no es sencillo que se lo den porque los demás equipos dudan sobre si Luis se liberará de Tau. Scola no puede pagar la cláusula y luego negociar. Es al revés. Primero debe acercar una oferta para que Tau haga efectiva la cláusula NBA (3.2 millones de dólares) y no la de Europa (14.5). Sus agentes confían en una salida, incluso hablan de cuatro equipos interesados, pero ahora depende aún más de la buena voluntad de Spurs y de Tau, y de que un tercer equipo (perteneciente a la NBA) decida apostar fuerte. Esto significa, por caso, dar un jugador y encima ofrecerle un contrato al argentino de al menos 7.5 millones. No es sencillo, habrá que esperar. Y rezar también.
que lastima
Good job...now post this in Russian and Chinese please.
POOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! Que viado! Que pena, uaíííí!!! Caralho!
one more time, I heard (pay attention that was mentioned by an Argentinean reporter on the radio) that ...Cavs and Bobcats were interested in Scola's draft rights ... but that these teams have nothing valuable to offer to Spurs, so the only probably scenario were to find a third team interested in what Cavs a Bobcats could offer.
Too complicated ins't it?
Scola don´t speak in Russian or Chinese
Instead of being sarcastic, ask if someone can be kind enough to transalate it . . . or learn the ing language, moron.
Last edited by smeagol; 07-19-2005 at 01:24 PM.
Again, reading all the info available (mind you some of it is in Spanish and either has not been properly transalated or has not been transalated at all (yet)), I still don't see why Scola is being characterized by some as a whiner.
yeah lets learn another language after all this is america and the language is ENGLISH
What you don't get, probably because you were missing from the forum for a while, is that the people who are saying that Scola may not amount to much have been saying that all along. It doesn't have anything to do with the Spurs signing him or not. A lot of people have been skeptical about Scola for a long while. A lot of people have questioned bringing in another PF when they have other needs. A lot of people have questioned his rebounding and defense (including the Spurs) and this was far before anyone knew if Scola was coming or not.but all of a sudden when it looked like we might not get him... he's an undersized euro who wont amount to much.
It's comical because you keep making sweeping generalizations about what is being said on the forum which are completely off base.
Maybe you should go back to lurking.
it's time for all of us to STFU and listen to AHF. He is an international agent and is familiar with the contract and knows more than the rest of us. He's even got the rough quotes of the conversation. Thanks for clearing up what was actually said and how each side tried to negotiate.And truth be known, his agent wasn't trying that hard, hoping to get more money (well, the whole MLE anyway) out of the Spurs by playing the whole "whoa is us, we gotta come up with $$ for a buyout" card, to which the Spurs promptly (and appropriately said "fine, we'll take Oberto for less."
yeah maybe i should... because i dont want to go back and read all those comments you claim i make up? i thought making sweeping generalizations one way and not the other was what i was commenting against? because i dont have a vested interest in this board or scola... other than i love to talk back and forth about things concerning both the team and whats said about what will happen about the team with other fans. but its you're show. (and thats fine with me) delete this account and the other one.
Dude, we make an effort to understand the language you write in , and we hardly complain
Seriously, many people on this board are bi-lingual and articles in Spanish are posted all the time (and many posters, including myself, have transalted them so everybody can understand them).
That dude being sarcastic was uncalled for, especially beacause the article waly posted sheds a lot of light with regards to the Scola situation.
And I don't give a if this is America, learning another language will help you in all orders of life.
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