Was Manus' new contract a good, or a bad, move by Spurs FO? And why?

[Sean Cagney]

I said it before but I will say it again. This the first bad season of Manu (and he earned a lot in it), TD had one bad season TOO (and he earned a lot in it). TD played well this two last years, why not thinking that Manu will improve? lol

We will see if 7 millons per year contract is too high or not. For now, it is not.

We will see and if he earns it then great! I will root for Manu. I was namely saying this to him who said Tim should have opted out of a contract to take less? Why would anyone opt out of 20 million? Who has done that? I can't find many athletes that opt out. Manu though looked spent in the finals, similar to Tim in 011 late but he arose again so lets hope the other happens.

lol ya he took a paycut afta he optd in and players who want to win take less so dont give manu no sh*t for do'n no less wat td did... U have sum lookn to do to say whos not makn sense cuz a tru fan would kno dis!

WTF did you just say? Okay you made sense there. Like I said TIM was not a FA yet so why would he opt out of 20 million? Manu was a FA and took the 7 million, huge difference between a contract you are under then re-signing, still don't know how you can't understand that part. [QUOTE=Texas_Ranger;6781630]whoever says paying Manu 14,5M was a good deal is an idiot. He can't even play half of the game and gets injured every year. I love Manu but the contract is ed up.

whoever says paying Manu 14,5M was a good deal is an idiot. He can't even play half of the game and gets injured every year. I love Manu but the contract is ed up.

Most would agree with that, even some Argies said it was too much.

[elemento]

I will always root for Manu and I wanted him back despite his horrible playoff series, but he is not worth 7m/year.

Good move to bring him back and he is overpaid for what he produces, simple like that.

[td4mvp2k]

We will see and if he earns it then great! I will root for Manu. I was namely saying this to him who said Tim should have opted out of a contract to take less? Why would anyone opt out of 20 million? Who has done that? I can't find many athletes that opt out. Manu though looked spent in the finals, similar to Tim in 011 late but he arose again so lets hope the other happens.WTF did you just say? Okay you made sense there. Like I said TIM was not a FA yet so why would he opt out of 20 million? Manu was a FA and took the 7 million, huge difference between a contract you are under then re-signing, still don't know how you can't understand that part.

lol @ da 24 hr post n wit da same sh*t... Gtfo!

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Let me put it this way. Last time we didn't have Manu we lost to an 8 seed

[cd021]

No way Manu was going to sign 2 year $10 million. He signed for half the money he used to make, which for me sounds right. And no way Kirilenko was going to sign with the Spurs.

I didn't say that Manu would sign it. I think its more his value at this point. I was using AK-47 as an example. But you don't know that for sure. It was either a bad team that overpays him or a good team that can work out a s&t. Brookyn as it turns out payed him $3 million (that we know of)

[Diego20]

No, he can't. Players with his style(slashers with an inconsistent jumper) don't get better with age.

Almost nobody get better with age, except TD (2010-2011). I would love if Manu improve this year.

[Agloco]

lulz @ Jack as the "answer".

Manus impact on the local economy over the next two years? Likely much greater than 14.5 mil tbh.

[cd021]

Let me put it this way. Last time we didn't have Manu we lost to an 8 seed

He was our leading scorer in that series, 20pts, 4 rpg, & 4 apg.

[therealtruth]

He was our leading scorer in that series, 20pts, 4 rpg, & 4 apg.

That proves my point. Manu started that year playing really bad. However when TP went down and he was forced into a more prominent role he started playing some of the best ball he had played as a Spur. I think after TP went down he was average something like 25-6-6. That's why I believe it's really a mindset thing with him. He feels this is TP's team and that he doesn't have to do as much. That being said I never understood the decision to give TP the keys to the team instead of Manu.

[xmas1997]

He was offered, and accepted, a 50% reduction in salary by the Spurs FO, considered by most experts to be the very best organization in all of sports. Wouldn't any of you do the same under the cir stances? I find it ludicrous that some people on here who have never held a decent job in their life feel justified in criticizing the best FO in all of sports and One of our big three. Who made you judge, jury, and executioner, who do you think you are, could you do better? I seriously doubt it! And I'm not making excuses, I am stating facts, not idiotic conjectures!

[tmtcsc]

The FO has put a lot of faith and hope in Manu returning to form in his final two years. His playoff performance was dismal and had he played up to his usual standards, I have no doubt we would have won the Championship. Even with his sub par play, we nearly won.

If he isn't able to turn things around, I hope Pop has the courage to bench him and Manu retires. Someone will need to "take the gun out of Manu's" hand before he hurts his legacy and the team.

[cd021]

That proves my point. Manu started that year playing really bad. However when TP went down and he was forced into a more prominent role he started playing some of the best ball he had played as a Spur. I think after TP went down he was average something like 25-6-6. That's why I believe it's really a mindset thing with him. He feels this is TP's team and that he doesn't have to do as much. That being said I never understood the decision to give TP the keys to the team instead of Manu.

What? Are you talking about the 10'-'11 season? Parker and Manu averaged the same amount of points. Parker is 5 years younger and showed Pop that he could be the go to guy by his play with France. Manu never would have worked as the first option, He is just to reckless.

[therealtruth]

What? Are you talking about the 10'-'11 season? Parker and Manu averaged the same amount of points. Parker is 5 years younger and showed Pop that he could be the go to guy by his play with France. Manu never would have worked as the first option, He is just to reckless.

I'm talking about '09-'10 season. When TP went down Manu became the best player. We don't make the playoffs that year if Manu doesn't step it up. In '10-'11 Manu kept up his good play and earned an all-star birth. Yet as the season went on his scoring average went down and like you said at the end of the year they had averaged the same amount of points.

[therealtruth]

The FO has put a lot of faith and hope in Manu returning to form in his final two years. His playoff performance was dismal and had he played up to his usual standards, I have no doubt we would have won the Championship. Even with his sub par play, we nearly won.

If he isn't able to turn things around, I hope Pop has the courage to bench him and Manu retires. Someone will need to "take the gun out of Manu's" hand before he hurts his legacy and the team.

We would have actually have been better of if Pop had benched Manu at times. That's how bad he was. It's not like he was just not doing much but he actively hurt us. If a player other than MG does that stuff he doesn't play.

[xmas1997]

Lets' not forget Manu is a two time Allstar and one of the Spurs big three. IMHO he still has a lot of good basketball in him regardless of this last playoffs. Even the best make mistakes, unlike tgy who apparently is perfect.

[Skull-1]

Be more specific...because giving Manu a new contract was good. Giving Manu a 2 year deal worth 14.5 million was bad.

This.

[Skull-1]

They should have asked the Heat to pay a couple million of his contract. IT's only fair since he was their Finals MVP.

[TheGreatYacht]

He was offered, and accepted, a 50% reduction in salary by the Spurs FO, considered by most experts to be the very best organization in all of sports. Wouldn't any of you do the same under the cir stances? I find it ludicrous that some people on here who have never held a decent job in their life feel justified in criticizing the best FO in all of sports and One of our big three. Who made you judge, jury, and executioner, who do you think you are, could you do better? I seriously doubt it! And I'm not making excuses, I am stating facts, not idiotic conjectures!

The Spurs FO are good but they are highly overrated because of the franchise player Tim Duncan. The FO is never held accountable because they have Tim Duncan. You wouldn't be saying such as absurd statements if the Spurs wouldn't have drafted Tim Duncan. Who buys into all the BS that is said by the media and ESPN? They don't know .

The FO has put a lot of faith and hope in Manu returning to form in his final two years. His playoff performance was dismal and had he played up to his usual standards, I have no doubt we would have won the Championship. Even with his sub par play, we nearly won.

If he isn't able to turn things around, I hope Pop has the courage to bench him and Manu retires. Someone will need to "take the gun out of Manu's" hand before he hurts his legacy and the team.

This.

Lets' not forget Manu is a two time Allstar and one of the Spurs big three. IMHO he still has a lot of good basketball in him regardless of this last playoffs. Even the best make mistakes, unlike tgy who apparently is perfect.

I can understand the positive vibes and wishful thinking by one of the biggest homers on ST but let's not fool ourselves. Manu looked done on the court.

[dallasmaverickslose]

The Spurs FO are good but they are highly overrated because of the franchise player Tim Duncan. The FO is never held accountable because they have Tim Duncan. You wouldn't be saying such as absurd statements if the Spurs wouldn't have drafted Tim Duncan. Who buys into all the BS that is said by the media and ESPN? They don't know .This.
I can understand the positive vibes and wishful thinking by one of the biggest homers on ST but let's not fool ourselves. Manu looked done on the court.

Why the do you hate Manu so much? Did he run over your dog or something?

[Leetonidas]

It's obvious that TGY doesn't hate Manu at all but is probably still mad that he the bed in what should have been the le clinching game and coupled with the fact that Manu should have done the team of service and taken less money allowing the team to add pieces to the roster to put them over the hump ala Tim/Tony, he is still in the anger stage. Eventually he'll accept Manu again. Unless he really falls off a cliff next season. Then most of us will be pissed about a washed up 36 year old SG making 7 million a season.

Also, Duncan is TGY's favorite player and that 5th le and 4th Finals MVP would have meant a lot for his career legacy and perception. In his mind, Manu did everything he could to that up in Game 6 when Duncan was a monster with 30/17. Can't say I blame him, but he does take it a bit far. Like I've said before, live with Manu, die with Manu

[TheGreatYacht]

It's obvious that TGY doesn't hate Manu at all but is probably still mad that he the bed in what should have been the le clinching game and coupled with the fact that Manu should have done the team of service and taken less money allowing the team to add pieces to the roster to put them over the hump ala Tim/Tony, he is still in the anger stage. Eventually he'll accept Manu again. Unless he really falls off a cliff next season. Then most of us will be pissed about a washed up 36 year old SG making 7 million a season.

Also, Duncan is TGY's favorite player and that 5th le and 4th Finals MVP would have meant a lot for his career legacy and perception. In his mind, Manu did everything he could to that up in Game 6 when Duncan was a monster with 30/17. Can't say I blame him, but he does take it a bit far. Like I've said before, live with Manu, die with Manu

Thanks man, I appreciate those words. I really am pissed @ Manu for being a big factor in Timmy not getting his 5th ring. I used to love Manu.

I was actually defending him from my little brother all year long because my bro kept calling out Manu all season long. He kept saying things like "I hope that ing old man retires, he's garbage now." I kept telling my bro that he's probably injured or recovering. I kept ignoring all the red lights such as his decline in free throw % and his turnovers throughout the regular season. I had a lot of faith in Manu that he would turn it on in the playoffs.

As the playoffs progressed, I began to realize that my bro might be right. I kept hoping every single night during the NBA Finals that he would break out of his slump. When he finally had that breakout night in Game 5, I was so happy for him. I actually got goose bumps hearing those “Manu” chants. I felt terrible that one night for all the I had said about him here on ST.

Little did I know that Manu would play so terrible in Game 6. I knew that Manu's performance in Game 5 was probably an illusion but I didn't expect him to turn the ball over 8 times in Game 6. Even though my criticism on Manu has been harsh, trust me I used to love the guy until Game 6 happened.

I've heard that there are some Manu haters out there that have hated him for a long time but I'm not one of them. Yeah I guess I'm still in the anger stage but what the . I'm sure I'm not the only one. I just voice my opinion the most.

If Manu redeems himself next season and we end up winning a championship next year all while Manu being an integral part of the team, then my resentment for him will completely banish. Sadly, I highly doubt this will happen. He doesn't seem like the type of player that can adjust his game to fit his lack of athleticism and loss of quickness.

I truly believe that father time has caught up to him. I really hope I'm wrong.

[Sean Cagney]

Thanks man, I appreciate those words. I really am pissed @ Manu for being a big factor in Timmy not getting his 5th ring. I used to love Manu.

I was actually defending him from my little brother all year long because my bro kept calling out Manu all season long. He kept saying things like "I hope that ing old man retires, he's garbage now." I kept telling my bro that he's probably injured or recovering. I kept ignoring all the red lights such as his decline in free throw % and his turnovers throughout the regular season. I had a lot of faith in Manu that he would turn it on in the playoffs.

As the playoffs progressed, I began to realize that my bro might be right. I kept hoping every single night during the NBA Finals that he would break out of his slump. When he finally had that breakout night in Game 5, I was so happy for him. I actually got goose bumps hearing those “Manu” chants. I felt terrible that one night for all the I had said about him here on ST.

Little did I know that Manu would play so terrible in Game 6. I knew that Manu's performance in Game 5 was probably an illusion but I didn't expect him to turn the ball over 8 times in Game 6. Even though my criticism on Manu has been harsh, trust me I used to love the guy until Game 6 happened.

I've heard that there are some Manu haters out there that have hated him for a long time but I'm not one of them. Yeah I guess I'm still in the anger stage but what the . I'm sure I'm not the only one. I just voice my opinion the most.

If Manu redeems himself next season and we end up winning a championship next year all while Manu being an integral part of the team, then my resentment for him will completely banish. Sadly, I highly doubt this will happen. He doesn't seem like the type of player that can adjust his game to fit his lack of athleticism and loss of quickness.

I truly believe that father time has caught up to him. I really hope I'm wrong.

What is funny is most think this or know this in their minds, some Argie people and some Manu fans even think what you said right there in FULL! I thought if you can't muster up a game 6 or 7 to show up in the biggest stage then you are done, alot of fans think this! I love Manu and want him to have a vintage year, but is he done?

You are considered a troll to some in here, but to me you are like some I talk to here in VA not biased and some not even SPURS fans, some said it's all on Manu and it's his fault for the loss! Once again not even SPURS fans or on this board they said this to me! A Spurs fan at work said to me yeah he did play horrible but I love him still, but he did suck. You are not a troll IMO but a really passionate fan who goes over the top at times and gets emotional but we all do!

I agree with alot of what you said up there, even Manu fans whether they admit it or not deep down know you said some real stuff right there and will call you haters, but in the back of their mind it is a question they have too! IS HE DONE?

[td4mvp2k]

@ trolls lose... Spurs fans win 2 yr $14m!

[Skull-1]

Even my ten-year old daughter was yelling at Pop every time he put Manu in during Game Six and Seven... (After it was clear in Game Six the guy was just not with it). A TEN YEAR OLD.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Even my ten-year old daughter was yelling at Pop every time he put Manu in during Game Six and Seven... (After it was clear in Game Six the guy was just not with it). A TEN YEAR OLD.

Thats nice.