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When you start dropping bombs, they're going to get moving anyways. You've seen what displaced people look like.
I disagree we've "hurt the future of the next generations", I simply think that money (right now) would be better spent in America.
You're playing older kid deciding what little kids fight with. It's the same thing. A dead civilian killed with a bomb or a bullet is no different than a dead civilian killed with a chemical weapon.
I can see intervention if they're attacking another defenseless country and such country asks for help. This is an internal matter.
IMO, cordon it off and let them figure out their own .
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Reports- US SHIPS TO FIRE AN OPENING SALVO AT NIGHT, WAIT FOR SATELLITES TO ASSESS THE DAMAGE AND RE-STRIKE ANY TARGETS THAT WEREN'T DESTROYED.
bombing Syria is a wonderful terrorist recruiting campaign.
Why Do They Hate Us?
How many US$10Bs will be spent on this recruiting campaign?
And they, not me, have to keep it up until Assad and his govt are down and out. Then who takes his place?
JORDANIAN AUTHORITIES CLEARING BORDERING AREAS WITH SYRIA AND IN PARTICULAR AL RAMTHA ASKING RESIDENTS TO LEAVE FOR SAFETY.
the army is paid to protect the USA and it's citizens. Not go kill and maym innocent civiliants to topple leaders the US doesn't like. And most certainly not paid to go and help Al Qaeda.
The US and Obama are puppets of the corporations who are using the army like it's their own personal hitman. That is not what the army is for. And BTW any army intervention must be approved by Congress. What Obombama or Bush Jr did before him is violation of law.
sorry but the idiocy is on your side if you believe otherwise.
LOCAL MEDIA REPORT LARGE EXPLOSION IN CENTRAL DAMASCUS IN THE MUHAJRIN AREA JUST A KILOMETER AWAY FROM PRESIDENTIAL RESIDENCE.
Of course not, you go over there and slap your neighbor on the ass and say bad boy. Then you let him carry on raping his daughter while declaring some type of moral victory.
Sorry, your anolgy was garbage. one thing I do agree with you on is that Obama needs to go through congress if he wants to intervene.
But, generally speaking you're a till-foil conspiracy nut not to be taken seriously.
I agree the analogy was garbage, I was making fun of whoever started it.
I have posted the facts and drawn my conclusions using logic and common sense. I'm sorry you are unable to do that and must get your thoughts from CNN and other media outlets.
Let me summarize to you again and please feel free to disprove the following facts:
- Al Qaeda is fighting Assad in Syria
- Many of those foreign rebels came from Libya and brought their weapons via Quatar
- It is known fact the Al Qaeda in Libya took possession of many Gadaffi chemical weapons
- There was a chemical attack on Assad held Khan Al-Assal
- There was outcry from Syria govt and Russia to investigate
- UN delayed the investigation
- Rebels massacred and destroyed evidence at Khan Al-Assal
again, feel free to disprove any of those fact.
based on that evidence I'm going to go ahead and conclude rebels had somethig to hide in Khan Al-Assal and US and puppets are blatantly ignoring those events.
It's not just Syria. You're lopping up every conspiracy out there. Sorry, you're just not credible. Maybe you should start over with a new username...
Where are you getting your info?
unable to dispute any of those facts
so forced to pull "conspiracy nut" trump card
Actually those 'facts' are all your claims. The onus is on you to prove them, not on me to disprove them. You've yet to do that, which is why you're a gullible conspiracy nut.
so forced to pull "conspiracy nut" trump card
so because you don't have the capacity to verify whether my claims are true or false you go ahead and call me a conspiracy nut. that's pretty sad.
here is a little help. see how easy it is?
"And the report notes that “the lion’s share of foreign fighters who are dying in Syria are fighting with the most hardline organisation involved in the uprising: Jabhat al-Nusra,” which has pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda’s central command in Pakistan."
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/ho...n-syria-2013-6
Where did you read this?- A chemical attack happened in Khan Al-Assal before it was overrun by rebels
- Syria and Russia were the first to report this attack and asked UN for inspections
- UN delayed the inspections while UK and France drafted a request to not only see this site, but unlimited access to all of Syria, knowing Syria would refuse. (delay tactic)
- Meanwhile rebels execute hundred+ in Khan Al-Assal and destroy any evidence
feel free to draw your own conclusions. that is what the board is for
I am reading the Guardian, Washington Post, NY Times, BBC., LA Times.... A decidedly liberal slant by US standards. Two of these news organization broke the NSA stories, so I would not call them tight with the current US administration.
Here is some more on the ideology of the "freedom fighters" Obama and co are willing to help:
The group is generally described as being made up of Sunni Islamist Jihadists. Its goal is to overthrow the Assad government and to create a Pan-Islamic state under sharia law and aims to reinstate the Islamic Caliphate.[19] It encourages all Syrians to take part in the war against the Syrian government.[20]
In an interview with a UAE newspaper, Abu Ahmed, a man identifying himself as the Al Nusra military commander for the Hasakah Governorate, described the organisation's goals as deposing Bashar al-Assad, and then establishing a state under the Quran and sharia.[21] Alcohol, tobacco and entertainment considered immoral would be banned, but the rules would be introduced gradually and after giving people advice first.
Members of the group are accused of attacking the religious beliefs of non-Sunnis in Syria, including the Alawis.[22]
Members of the group have referred to the United States and Israel as enemies of Islam[22] and warned against Western intervention in Syria.[19] Syrian members of the group claim they are only fighting the Assad government and would not attack Western states.[19] The United States accused it of being affiliated with al-Qaeda in Iraq;[23] in April 2013 the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq released an audio statement affirming this connection.[5]
what a lovely bunch!
Nobody is denying there are jihadists and AQ fighting with the rebels. Try linking your other claims.
read this detailed article, then we can discuss each item if you wish:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/was-the...e-west/5333671
Foreign Policy reporting that intercepted phone calls are the "proof" Assad carried out the attack http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/po...used_nerve_gas
Last Wednesday, in the hours after a horrific chemical attack east of Damascus, an official at the Syrian Ministry of Defense exchanged panicked phone calls with leader of a chemical weapons unit, demanding answers for a nerve agent strike that killed more than 1,000 people. Those conversations were overheard by U.S. intelligence services, The Cable has learned. And that is the major reason why American officials now say they're certain that the attacks were the work of the Bashar al-Assad regime -- and why the U.S. military is likely to attack that regime in a matter of days.
This is not about the most recent events involving the possible use chemical weapons and our response based on evidence gathered. It's about the doubts of earlier much smaller incidents. Wrong time frame.
IMO, saying people can just leave is a huge copout. Doesnt mean I think in this case that is justification for the US intervening (especially when said intervention is a euphemism for bomb the out of everything). I just dont like it when these topics come out and people argue that emigrating is a viable option for people. Just because it happens and people do make it out, doesnt mean that it was a normal option like just deciding to leave your country because its falling to . And i reiterate, especially in a dictatorship, getting out is not easy for those that do attempt it.
as for the other list...
Venezuela's had a couple of failed coup attempts, I wouldnt put that anywhere near CIVIL WAR which is essentially what most of the countries you listed went through (and secret police, state terrorism, terrorism, internal violence in a word). I still dont know what cycle you are referring to, its not as if the listed countries do this constantly in their history, they are tied to specific events. Once s gets started and blood is spilled its not forgotten from one day to the next.
That said, most of those conflicts are over. The scars remain for a large part of the population that went through that, but the violence is pretty much over. Like in Chile you are saying the guerrillas were battling the gov. after the return to democracy... They assassinated one senator and freed a couple of their comrades from a jail. The rest of their activity was limited to... hosting conventions and congresses. By last count they are less than 5000 total between all groups, in a pop. of 15M. If that is cyclical internal violence on the scale of civil war, (like in Colombia which is still going. Even with the US on its side the govt. still hasnt been able to defeat the FARC. Maybe if the US butted the out the FARC would have won already and colombians wouldnt live in civil war).
I agree with you, the US has no business in Syria. Citing international law / un regulations as justification when the US flouts them all the time is BS, and this is an internal matter. That said, a dead civilian killed with gas is NOT the same as one killed by a bullet. All of these situations would play out very differently if its a true battle of strength going toe to toe vs who has the nukes/depleted uranium/killer gas to drop on a bunch of poor people fighting with rocks who are economically worth less than the weapons used to kill them.
You're playing older kid deciding what little kids fight with. It's the same thing. A dead civilian killed with a bomb or a bullet is no different than a dead civilian killed with a chemical weapon.
The UN and the West has made it clear that death by projectile, shrapnel, structures falling on people, severe pressure waves is not the same as death by inhaling toxic blistering fumes (that also affect the eyes and skin in many cases) and leave toxic residue often poisoning the surroundings.
As silly as it seems, the way one dies in these conflicts does cons ute a breach of the majority of the world's standards. China, Russia and India included. They have all signed off on this. For what it is worth.
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