Mid-Late 90s/early 2000s rap was...

[xmas1997]

A turntable has a switch. One click and it goes = OFF
One click in the other direction and it goes = ON

Years and years and years of musical training go into this seemingly simple act. A DJ goes through a woodshedding - phase - you know like for example a young Eddie Van Halen - or a very young Andres Segovia - when they would spend 18 hours a day in a room by themselves with their musical instrument - for months and years on end. After this woodshedding - they would face the world and the world would drop their collective jaws.

A DJ - if that is the proper le - does the same thing - then one day - they flick this ON/OFF switch with the world as witness.
Same thing if you compare a vocalist who woodshedded and trained their voice - and played years and years of ty gigs to become a world class vocalist -
A rapper - flicks on the switch - you know - the switch where the pre-recorded drums play (the drums that were recorded by a real drummer)- then he talks really fast or really angry and cusses a lot - suddenly he is known as an artist.

Quite amazing.

That's what I thought.
So rap is Not a genre of music.

[leemajors]

A turntable has a switch. One click and it goes = OFF
One click in the other direction and it goes = ON

Years and years and years of musical training go into this seemingly simple act. A DJ goes through a woodshedding - phase - you know like for example a young Eddie Van Halen - or a very young Andres Segovia - when they would spend 18 hours a day in a room by themselves with their musical instrument - for months and years on end. After this woodshedding - they would face the world and the world would drop their collective jaws.

A DJ - if that is the proper le - does the same thing - then one day - they flick this ON/OFF switch with the world as witness.
Same thing if you compare a vocalist who woodshedded and trained their voice - and played years and years of ty gigs to become a world class vocalist -
A rapper - flicks on the switch - you know - the switch where the pre-recorded drums play (the drums that were recorded by a real drummer)- then he talks really fast or really angry and cusses a lot - suddenly he is known as an artist.

Quite amazing.

Herbie Han begs to differ:

[silverblk mystix]

Herbie Han begs to differ:

Herbie Han is a musician. A child prodigy who was a world class pianist/keyboardist. He played with in' Miles Davis -
in which universe is he known as a "rapper?" A true world class musician. Maybe you didn't read my post.

[leemajors]

Herbie Han is a musician. A child prodigy who was a world class pianist/keyboardist. He played with in' Miles Davis -
in which universe is he known as a "rapper?" A true world class musician. Maybe you didn't read my post.

He included another world class musician, Grandmaster DXT, who specializes in turntable music on several of his albums. Your post was ignorant drivel that can only lead us to believe you have been cucked by a DJ, honestly.

[O.J. Simpson]

Herbie Han is a musician. A child prodigy who was a world class pianist/keyboardist. He played with in' Miles Davis -
in which universe is he known as a "rapper?" A true world class musician. Maybe you didn't read my post.

Yet you consider the sound of your fingers thrusting an inmate's cornhole music.

How in' ironic.

[silverblk mystix]

He included another world class musician, Grandmaster DXT, who specializes in turntable music on several of his albums. Your post was ignorant drivel that can only lead us to believe you have been cucked by a DJ, honestly.

A turntable prodigy!

He can twist a round turntable and make scratchy noises - awesome!

Herbie Han = Musician

Grandmaster = rofl

[johnsmith]

It's funny to me when people argue that their music is better then someone elses music.


Couldn't possibly be a preference thing.

[xmas1997]

Shut up got

Somehow we are supposed to believe this is an intelligent response?
Go figure!

[silverblk mystix]

It's funny to me when people argue that their music is better then someone elses music.


Couldn't possibly be a preference thing.

You are absolutely correct.

I was just jerking chains -

All music is good - and I was just in' around - it seemed to cause a little butthurt.

Just kidding fellas - I got love for all musicians, all rappers, all artists.

Now the wanna bees that follow around and dress,talk, act , etc.... I was serious about that. Sorry. It was still only my opinion.

No one's music or generation tbh - is better or worse than anyone else's. Just having fun.

[resistanze]

Somehow we are supposed to believe this is an intelligent response?
Go figure!

Shut up got

[silverblk mystix]

Shut up got

[AchillesHeel]

[xmas1997]

First time writing English. Don't make fun of foreigners. He's Canadian.

[benefactor]

Getting this thread back on track, I'd like to dedicate this next song to Buddy Mignon, Avante and Koolaid_Man.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Good stuff outside of the boomers hating on just one generation after. Well that and the race baiters.

[DeadlyDynasty]

This redeems the Ja Rule you posted earlier. He was the beginning of the end.

[DeadlyDynasty]

[AchillesHeel]

This redeems the Ja Rule you posted earlier. He was the beginning of the end.

Compared to today's rap, Rule's "pop music" is not that bad, tbh. I guess I've come to appreciate all the RnB and singing from the early 2000s because of guys like Drake, tbh.

[AchillesHeel]

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's what I thought.
So rap is Not a genre of music.

sbm is wrong. The is a cross fader that allows you to mix what the two turntables are playing. Its an analog continuous fade with either end being completely that turntable and the other off and then mixing the other in as you move the switch. Also you have to match the beats. If you have one going at 130 bpm and the other at 80 then you have to speed one up and/or slow one down. This changes the tone and you have to find what sounds good. There is a lot of rhythm with it as well because you have to move from various bars in the song being played on both tables. It's not all that hard to do once you get a feel for it especially if you are musically inclined.

Also there is scratching where you have to find segments that you can pull through and move it at the proper speed to get the sound and flow that you like.

All of that is rhythm and harmony. The sound you can get out of it can be quite diverse but the typical rhythm is one trach that is on the beat and the other with parts on the back beat. That gives you the syncopation and the hip to the hop.

if that is not music then neither is something like the trumpet which is entirely single notes in a set range much less something like the tympani or even less the bass drum.

you're just ignorant to the genre and reject it out of hand.

[leemajors]

sbm is wrong. The is a cross fader that allows you to mix what the two turntables are playing. Its an analog continuous fade with either end being completely that turntable and the other off and then mixing the other in as you move the switch. Also you have to match the beats. If you have one going at 130 bpm and the other at 80 then you have to speed one up and/or slow one down. This changes the tone and you have to find what sounds good. There is a lot of rhythm with it as well because you have to move from various bars in the song being played on both tables. It's not all that hard to do once you get a feel for it especially if you are musically inclined.

Also there is scratching where you have to find segments that you can pull through and move it at the proper speed to get the sound and flow that you like.

All of that is rhythm and harmony. The sound you can get out of it can be quite diverse but the typical rhythm is one trach that is on the beat and the other with parts on the back beat. That gives you the syncopation and the hip to the hop.

if that is not music then neither is something like the trumpet which is entirely single notes in a set range much less something like the tympani or even less the bass drum.

you're just ignorant to the genre and reject it out of hand.

I can't remember which do entary it was in, but I think it was the Bernie Worrell one Stranger, where he talked about hip hop and how widely sampled his music (and P-Funk family in general) was. Initially he was upset, but then he realized they were taking the "new" sounds he created with Moogs, taking it further and creating even more new sounds and textures - and he realized how exciting what they were doing was. I don't think it hurt that De La Soul presented them with a $100K check for using Not Just Knee Deep

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can't remember which do entary it was in, but I think it was the Bernie Worrell one Stranger, where he talked about hip hop and how widely sampled his music (and P-Funk family in general) was. Initially he was upset, but then he realized they were taking the "new" sounds he created with Moogs, taking it further and creating even more new sounds and textures - and he realized how exciting what they were doing was. I don't think it hurt that De La Soul presented them with a $100K check for using Not Just Knee Deep

That is a good point. Alot of times you are seeing use of a roland 808 or various synthesizers like the moog you mention that are used for the music to flow over.

I'm not a fan of wheezy overall but i do like how bass heavy is. like this just sounds nice. Have the lows crossed over into something that hits hard and its that much better.

[leemajors]

That is a good point. Alot of times you are seeing use of a roland 808 or various synthesizers like the moog you mention that are used for the music to flow over.

I'm not a fan of wheezy overall but i do like how bass heavy is. like this just sounds nice. Have the lows crossed over into something that hits hard and its that much better.

Yeah, I am a big fan of dub too for the same reasons. The sound and deep bass they got out of their cheap equipment they cobbled together was amazing. I have a couple albums of DXT doing instrumental hip hop dub stuff collaborating with Bill Laswell:

[xmas1997]

sbm is wrong. The is a cross fader that allows you to mix what the two turntables are playing. Its an analog continuous fade with either end being completely that turntable and the other off and then mixing the other in as you move the switch. Also you have to match the beats. If you have one going at 130 bpm and the other at 80 then you have to speed one up and/or slow one down. This changes the tone and you have to find what sounds good. There is a lot of rhythm with it as well because you have to move from various bars in the song being played on both tables. It's not all that hard to do once you get a feel for it especially if you are musically inclined.

Also there is scratching where you have to find segments that you can pull through and move it at the proper speed to get the sound and flow that you like.

All of that is rhythm and harmony. The sound you can get out of it can be quite diverse but the typical rhythm is one trach that is on the beat and the other with parts on the back beat. That gives you the syncopation and the hip to the hop.

if that is not music then neither is something like the trumpet which is entirely single notes in a set range much less something like the tympani or even less the bass drum.

you're just ignorant to the genre and reject it out of hand.

If you had left out your last sentence with the insult, I would have comprehended your opinion and kept an open mind.
But you had to be insulting and that negated your whole point.
Try again sometime when you have learned how to discuss an issue.
I guess I have to continue tutoring you until you "get" it.
In the meantime, I don't buy what you are selling.
Sorry, it fails miserably!

[TSA]

I can't remember which do entary it was in, but I think it was the Bernie Worrell one Stranger, where he talked about hip hop and how widely sampled his music (and P-Funk family in general) was. Initially he was upset, but then he realized they were taking the "new" sounds he created with Moogs, taking it further and creating even more new sounds and textures - and he realized how exciting what they were doing was. I don't think it hurt that De La Soul presented them with a $100K check for using Not Just Knee Deep

Excellent do entary touching on exactly this.


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