Lakers: Lakers Getting Ready To Rape The Knicks: Gasol For Tyson and Shumpert

[MeloHype]

"I have a dream that one day little black boys and girls will be holding hands with little white boys and girls ."- LeBron James

[AchillesHeel]

I'm fully aware of the amount of games TC has played in this year. I brought the Knicks up to setup a point. Houston is giving up 102.2ppg this year. Last year my Lakers gave up 101ppg. Common denominator? Howard. Last year TC played in 66 games and the Knicks gave up only 95.7ppg. The Knicks would give up <97.7ppg if TC played more: no doubt in my mind.

So as I was saying, if healthy (again, a big if), TC is easily the best anchor we've had since Shaq, and he would be a major upgrade over MVPau defensively. Should he prove he can last 1.5+ years he'd be well worth it IMO.

It's about the pace of the game you dumb , Knicks play at the 29th slowest pace in the NBA, their defense as a result seems pretty good, right? But their offense is pure garbage, 25th in PPG?

Lakers had the 5th highest pace last season, it's the reason they allowed as many points per game. You look at the Orlando teams Dwight played on, they had the top 5 or top 10 defense EVERY YEAR he played there under SVG, their coach (Stan Van Gundy) actually had a working system and the team was built around Dwight almost to a perfection(like the Lebron Cavs, another great defensive team). Dwight had a top 3 defense from 09-11, and he led his team to the Finals as the top scorer(despite being a "limited" offensive player). People are trying to downplay Dwight like he was their ex-girlfriend, who ran off with the hotter,richer guy.
Tyson Chandler is overrated as . A good defensive anchor no doubt, but not worth the money he's getting. The Dallas team that won the chip in 2011 had a top 10 defense, but you really think they wouldn't have been better with a Dwight HowarD?

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Kobe is not in his prime anymore and who could Kobe carry and help carry him to a le if their first name is not Lebron or last name Durant?

I'll buy James---after a fashion, but, "Durant?" Please.

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The Dallas team that won the chip in 2011 had a top 10 defense, but you really think they wouldn't have been better with a Dwight HowarD?

Maybe, but, if you switch out Chandler & Howard there they'd still be on my O'fer list.

[AchillesHeel]

I'll buy James---after a fashion, but, "Durant?" Please.

You don't want the most dominant scorer in the game, who's on pace for another 50/40/90 season while averaging 28.5 ppg?

Please.

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You don't want the most dominant scorer in the game, who's on pace for another 50/40/90 season while averaging 28.5 ppg?

Please.

They ain't what Killa asked, Heel.

[Buddy Mignon]

there's only one dam fool here and it's the short dude left standing on a street corner holding an empty bag with $500 hand written on the front

Heeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaw!!!

[AchillesHeel]

Maybe, but, if you switch out Chandler & Howard there they'd still be on my O'fer list.

But instead, they handed you the sweep.

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But instead, they handed you the sweep.

In the case, Heel. You had to go and get it out of the case, Heel. And give it back, Heel.

[LkrFan]

It's about the pace of the game you dumb , Knicks play at the 29th slowest pace in the NBA, their defense as a result seems pretty good, right? But their offense is pure garbage, 25th in PPG?

Lakers had the 5th highest pace last season, it's the reason they allowed as many points per game. You look at the Orlando teams Dwight played on, they had the top 5 or top 10 defense EVERY YEAR he played there under SVG, their coach (Stan Van Gundy) actually had a working system and the team was built around Dwight almost to a perfection(like the Lebron Cavs, another great defensive team). Dwight had a top 3 defense from 09-11, and he led his team to the Finals as the top scorer(despite being a "limited" offensive player). People are trying to downplay Dwight like he was their ex-girlfriend, who ran off with the hotter,richer guy.
Tyson Chandler is overrated as . A good defensive anchor no doubt, but not worth the money he's getting. The Dallas team that won the chip in 2011 had a top 10 defense, but you really think they wouldn't have been better with a Dwight HowarD?

I know about pace you dumbass . The Knicks are only about 5 FGAs away from leading the league (they have 83.2 FGAs as compared to 88.8 for Minny - the league leader). Major problem: they chuck it at only 43.3%.

TC anchored a Finals winning team that beat a stacked cHeat team. Yet he is overrated? OK. He is a good anchor when healthy and an upgrade over MVPau - and what Howard gave us last year.

The 2009 version of Howard never manifested himself in LA. That player no longer exists. Last year Lakers had two former DPOYs and still sucked ass defensively. Howard didn't, no, didn't want to fit, so he dogged it. TC is from Compton and I'm sure he's a Laker Fan at heart. He'll give us some of what he gave Dallas in 2011 - again, if healthy.

[AchillesHeel]

In the case, Heel. You had to go and get it out of the case, Heel. And give it back, Heel.

I'm starting to think that 6 affected you more than it did me, old man. While handing the trophy back was humiliating and heartbreaking. I'd rather be that close than get swept by my rivals in the first round, after losing Dr.Buss + losing one of the greatest players in my franchise history to one of the toughest injuries in sports(who gave his all and sacrificed his career just so the team could get swept without him even being on the floor). Dwight leaving after you begged him on your knees to stay even made it worse. 6 hit me as hard as any spurfan that night, but the season your franchise had to endure wasn't any prettier.

We're still in position to get back up on that stage and try again before Duncan's career comes to an end. Your Lakers are 1st round fodder at best right now.

[Buddy Mignon]

I'm starting to think that 6 affected you more than it did me, old man. While handing the trophy back was humiliating and heartbreaking. I'd rather be that close than get swept by my rivals in the first round, after losing Dr.Buss + losing one of the greatest players in my franchise history to one of the toughest injuries in sports(who gave his all and sacrificed his career just so the team could get swept without him even being on the floor). Dwight leaving after you begged him on your knees to stay even made it worse. 6 hit me as hard as any spurfan that night, but the season your franchise had to endure wasn't any prettier.

We're still in position to get back up on that stage and try again before Duncan's career comes to an end. Your Lakers are 1st round fodder at best right now.

You're lying. You've been swept before... most teams have. But no team has ever kissed the trophy and then forced to hand it over. You guys were already boarding the plane and TSA forced you to return something that didn't belong to you. That's like getting a phone call being told you won the lottery and you show up for your money and they say "oooops... we made a mistake... you didn't win ... go home!!!" Its like the doctor saying you're having a baby... then 9 months later she only takes a .

[AchillesHeel]

You're lying. You've been swept before... most teams have. But no team has ever kissed the trophy and then forced to hand it over. You guys were already boarding the plane and TSA forced you to return something that didn't belong to you. That's like getting a phone call being told you won the lottery and you show up for your money and they say "oooops... we made a mistake... you didn't win ... go home!!!" Its like the doctor saying you're having a baby... then 9 months later she only takes a .

That would be a blessing in disguise, tbh.

[Buddy Mignon]

That would be a blessing in disguise, tbh.

I agree with you there.

[Killakobe81]

I'm starting to think that 6 affected you more than it did me, old man. While handing the trophy back was humiliating and heartbreaking. I'd rather be that close than get swept by my rivals in the first round, after losing Dr.Buss + losing one of the greatest players in my franchise history to one of the toughest injuries in sports(who gave his all and sacrificed his career just so the team could get swept without him even being on the floor). Dwight leaving after you begged him on your knees to stay even made it worse. 6 hit me as hard as any spurfan that night, but the season your franchise had to endure wasn't any prettier.

We're still in position to get back up on that stage and try again before Duncan's career comes to an end. Your Lakers are 1st round fodder at best right now.

No shame in a WCF ...
I have said that many times on here.
But the "shame" trying to be heaped on here about our bloated payroll matters little to me ...what does winning with a lesser payroll or losing with a bloated one mean to the fanbase? Higher payroll usually means higher expectations but as thread said ...winning your last game is all that matters. Would a finals run even ending in defeat mean something? Yes, but very little.

for example i know for a fact that we beat the Spurs in 2008 heck we also beat you in 2004 but BOTh of THOSE seasons ended in defeat one to teh Pistons the other to the hated Celts.
.4 replays brings a smile to my face ...it's on of the best road closing playoff shots in NBA history but it loses some of it's luster when I remember there was no parade at the end ... same as Kobe's game winner vs. the Suns another great highlight but ultimately, empty.

So the deflecting and re-directing here just reminds/tells me of how much that loss hurt.
And deep down many Spur fans are worried that you will play the Utah role in Lebron's quest to 3 peat like MJ ...if you make it that far ...
There is doubt here when before Spurs touted that perfect 4-0 Finals record.
That is part of what "6" changed ... Spur fans felt that if they made the Finals they could reduce James like they did in 2007 ... I get it.
After 1984 (especially after getting swept by Moses in 1983) I wasnt sure if Earvin was truly Magic or "tragic " because the local scribes did not trust in my hero ... it created doubts for me.
Magic righted that ship and maybe if you are lucky timmy gets to do the same ... but you have your doubts. You ALL do ...

[AchillesHeel]

I know about pace you dumbass . The Knicks are only about 5 FGAs away from leading the league (they have 83.2 FGAs as compared to 88.8 for Minny - the league leader). Major problem: they chuck it at only 43.3%.

TC anchored a Finals winning team that beat a stacked cHeat team. Yet he is overrated? OK. He is a good anchor when healthy and an upgrade over MVPau - and what Howard gave us last year.

The 2009 version of Howard never manifested himself in LA. That player no longer exists. Last year Lakers had two former DPOYs and still sucked ass defensively. Howard didn't, no, didn't want to fit, so he dogged it. TC is from Compton and I'm sure he's a Laker Fan at heart. He'll give us some of what he gave Dallas in 2011 - again, if healthy.

TC has been an efficient player and a good anchor, but he's not worth 15 mil under the new CBA. It's why Cubes let him go in the first place. He has done well in NY, and he even led the Knicks to a top 5-10 defense when MDA coached them for half the season in 11-12...But the cap would limit you from putting enough offense around him and Kobe next season...Shumpert is not a good offensive player, Kirby's already looking to be a point guard so you need an explosive scorer to complement that roster.

Melo/Kirby/Chandler would be a pretty decent big 3, but Kirby and Chandler alone would be 40 mil next season.

[AchillesHeel]

No shame in a WCF ...
I have said that many times on here.
But the "shame" trying to be heaped on here about our bloated payroll matters little to me ...what does winning with a lesser payroll or losing with a bloated one mean to the fanbase? Higher payroll usually means higher expectations but as thread said ...winning your last game is all that matters. Would a finals run even ending in defeat mean something? Yes, but very little.

for example i know for a fact that we beat the Spurs in 2008 heck we also beat you in 2004 but BOTh of THOSE seasons ended in defeat one to teh Pistons the other to the hated Celts.
.4 replays brings a smile to my face ...it's on of the best road closing playoff shots in NBA history but it loses some of it's luster when I remember there was no parade at the end ... same as Kobe's game winner vs. the Suns another great highlight but ultimately, empty.

So the deflecting and re-directing here just reminds/tells me of how much that loss hurt.
And deep down many Spur fans are worried that you will play the Utah role in Lebron's quest to 3 peat like MJ ...if you make it that far ...
There is doubt here when before Spurs touted that perfect 4-0 Finals record.
That is part of what "6" changed ... Spur fans felt that if they made the Finals they could reduce James like they did in 2007 ... I get it.
After 1984 (especially after getting swept by Moses in 1983) I wasnt sure if Earvin was truly Magic or "tragic " because the local scribes did not trust in my hero ... it created doubts for me.
Magic righted that ship and maybe if you are lucky timmy gets to do the same ... but you have your doubts. You ALL do ...

I'm not even thinking that far ahead until the playoffs roll around...After 6, the regular season games have felt meaningless to me. I just hope we make it to the PO's all healthy and ready for war. I'm just hoping that Tony and Manu make up for last year and that Pop would put out his 5 best players when a similar situation occurs.

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TC has been an efficient player and a good anchor, but he's not worth 15 mil under the new CBA. It's why Cubes let him go in the first place. He has done well in NY, and he even led the Knicks to a top 5-10 defense when MDA coached them for half the season in 11-12...But the cap would limit you from putting enough offense around him and Kobe next season...Shumpert is not a good offensive player, Kirby's already looking to be a point guard so you need an explosive scorer to complement that roster.

Melo/Kirby/Chandler would be a pretty decent big 3, but Kirby and Chandler alone would be 40 mil next season.

We wouldn't need Melo. Shump & Chandler would suffice. But, why would they want Pau? Nobody has answered that question yet. I'll tell you why...they wouldn't. It's a red herring story concocted by centralized Media so assholes like us will do what we're doing right now....ruminating over it. I should have my ing head examined for even typing this.

[LkrFan]

TC has been an efficient player and a good anchor, but he's not worth 15 mil under the new CBA. It's why Cubes let him go in the first place. He has done well in NY, and he even led the Knicks to a top 5-10 defense when MDA coached them for half the season in 11-12...But the cap would limit you from putting enough offense around him and Kobe next season...Shumpert is not a good offensive player, Kirby's already looking to be a point guard so you need an explosive scorer to complement that roster.

Melo/Kirby/Chandler would be a pretty decent big 3, but Kirby and Chandler alone would be 40 mil next season.

Although you are moving goalposts, we agree. But I've said earlier, he would be a piece towards building for next year. I never said he'd get us over the top this year. I merely stated that he'd be an upgrade over MVPau as an anchor.

[Katherine Robinson]

Dale speaks the truth, many remain blind to it, but not the Robinson household. The media believes the Lakers will "reload" and the majority of onlookers are salivating on that and the positive or negative consequences to come from it.

[AchillesHeel]

We wouldn't need Melo. Shump & Chandler would suffice. But, why would they want Pau? Nobody has answered that question yet. I'll tell you why...they wouldn't. It's a red herring story concocted by centralized Media so assholes like us will do what we're doing right now....ruminating over it. I should have my ing head examined for even typing this.

Knicks want to rebuild if Anthony leaves, they could dump JR's contract in the process and they could net some future picks in the process. Amare will be an expiring in 2015, so they can use him to gain more picks in a year as well.

Chandler will not want to be around a losing franchise either, I see them blowing it all up if the losing continues, no way will they be satisfied with being a lottery team and having 0 1st round picks to improve the roster with.

I'm seeing a potential Lakers-Wolves-Knicks deal.

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^Kobe will rebah this season, pile points (tee, hee) and they'll exhaust the contracts and hope they can get out from under Nash thru some technicality. Then next year you bring in two players who will go to war with Kobe and you try it. Not Melo!

ADDENDUM:::frankly the approach that the Spurs employ. *It worked for them.

[AchillesHeel]

Although you are moving goalposts, we agree. But I've said earlier, he would be a piece towards building for next year. I never said he'd get us over the top this year. I merely stated that he'd be an upgrade over MVPau as an anchor.

I agree with that, but I'm talking TC in general. He's a big cap hit for a team that has another player making 24 mil. You need to fill the rest of your roster with 18-19 mil left in cap space. You can either sign a Carmelo Anthony and fill the rest of the roster out with guys on minimum deals, or you sign some solid, but not great guys to complement Kirby and Chandler.

It's just difficult financially. Chandler is a good player no doubt, but you can't build a contending roster with him and Kirby making 39-40 mil combined.

[DMC]

not if we trading for Tyson, shumpert etc ...

Just play this season out. No team could be expected to contend with no healthy PG's on the roster and playing a mid 30's SG at PG, who is coming off a blown achilles.
Tank. Not deliberately try to lose but it's time to rebuild ...
Kobe, Mitch, some Laker fans are delusional ...

Even the lakers have to rebuild sometime ...

If you're trading mid season you're likely tanking because new players will play like new players. You have crip up in the house, then you have who, crip 2.0 and crip 3.0?

If that's not tanking, there's no such thing.


Once you had Superman, now you'll have crip tonight.

[Killakobe81]

If you're trading mid season you're likely tanking because new players will play like new players. You have crip up in the house, then you have who, crip 2.0 and crip 3.0?

If that's not tanking, there's no such thing.


Once you had Superman, now you'll have crip tonight.

The real Superman started to die a slow death after 2000 Shaq was never better and it was downhill after ...
Howard should of claimed "hulk" not much skill, or brains just brute strength hopping around the court ...breaking rims with dunks and FT's tbh ...