Is Ayers done as a rotation player?

[venitian navigator]

The problem with Baynes can be only one : defense, expecially on the pick and roll, also considering the fact that he's big but at the moment not exactly,despite his huge body, a rim protector. Imho he's the one that has skills more similar to the Blair's one...only, at the moment, less good on offense and little better on defense (just 'cause of his height).
That said, however, maybe I'll be wrong, but I was nicely impressed this summer when we took Ayres, manteining Baynes on the roster...I think these two bigs, in time (knowing better our System, expecially on defense, and having more playing time, and possibly another summer to gel together) have more than decent athletic and phisical skills to form a very decent combo of big men.
They both can rebound, they both can improve their shooting also from mid range, they both can jump and potentially protect better the basket); also, Ayres can run the floor and Baynes is not the worst of the bigs in coming back to defense.

[jeebus]

Kind of telling that Pop didn't play him tonight, despite his nice showing against the Pelicans in the last meeting, tbh..

Fluke game. Boner held him under 20 points this time around. Pretty sad that when someone's highlight game of the season is outdone by a red head with a broken face during his last run as an NBA player.

[szkorhetz]

Facing the Pacers frontcourt in the Finals with Duncan, Diaw and Splitter won't cut it, TBH. We need a good Ayers.

[cd021]

not to mention that baynes is put in just to foul sometimes

i can only recall the Houston game. He just fouls a ridiculous amount, not by design.

[cd021]

We go into it with you repeating the same drivel aand when I would rebut you would say you didn't want to talk about it anymore after you repeated your initial assertions.

He was shown more than just the GSW games and he has had good games and bad games. That being said if you think 8 stints as more that a cameo is enough to evaluate a player then you are a fool.

The foul discussion is dumb. Look at his game log and how many games of ~5 mins 2 fouls do you see? It's garbage time and for all of Spurs garbage time being less a cluster then most, when you are coming off the end of the bench and only have 5 mins to play then you know you can be overaggressive and get away with it. At the end of the day though, that is the go to stat that you use to evaluate Baynes.

Fixating on outliers seems to be your gig though. I really enjoyed you making up stats like blocks per foul or whatever that nonsense was as well as discussing dleague stats in an NBA context with no real normalization. For the most part what you really are doing is regurgitating groupthink from exstatic and tpark and the like.

-Blocks to foul ratio is a pretty standard deal, Its the big man equivalent to assist to turnover. In any case its incredibly high.

-I understand you are looking at game logs. My numbers are per minute. That is especially useful to see how effective he might be in a more expanded role. But combing through his NBA, D-league and even his four seasons at Washington State its clear his fouls a bit of problem.

You're looking at a boxscore and seeing he has 2 fouls in 8 minutes and you claim that isn't bad. If he played 16 mpg he would still have nearly 3 fouls per game. Either way he fouls too much that isn't debatable.

-Funny you're the one who ignores the stats, let me be clear

-11.1 P.E.R (league average 15)

-Worst D-Rating on team 104 (tied with Mills)

-Worst O-Rating on team -98

-Worst Net Rating on team -6

-44 % from the field

He hasn't even impressed in garbage time or his 2nd quarter appearances and this guy is like a god on ST

He isn't very good. Neither is Ayers that is all.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

-Blocks to Foul ration is a pretty standard deal, Its the big man equivalent to assist to turnover. In any case its incredibly high.

-I understand you are looking at game logs. My numbers are per minute. That is especially useful to see how effective he might be in a more expanded role. But combing through his NBA, D-league and even his four seasons at Washington State its clear he fouls quite a bit.

You're looking at a boxscore and seeing he has 2 fouls in 8 minutes and you claim that isn''t bad. If he played 16 mpg he would still have nearly 3 fouls per game. Either way he fouls too much that isn't debatable.

-Funny you're the one who ignores the stats, let me be clear

-11.1 P.E.R (league average 15)

-Worst D-Rating on team 104 (tied with Mills)

-Worst O-Rating on team -98

-Worst Net Rating on team -6

-44 % from the field

He hasn't even impressed in garbage time or his 2nd quarter appearances and this guy is like a god on ST

He isn't very good. Neither is Ayers that is all.

And in all of this you still fail to acknowledge the situational difference. For some reason you think picking up two fouls in garbage time is equitable to two fouls in meaningful minutes. You conflate them. This is exactly what I am talking about in regurgitating your original assertions in the face of rebuttal and then saying you do not want to talk about it anymore.

Another example of this is you grandstanding on a poor performance agains GS early, you completely ignore my discussion of the stint of 3 very recent games where he got significant time and he played well, specifically limiting his fouls.

Another example is my stating that 8 stints of non-garbage time is only sufficient evaluation time if you are a fool.

Now you are bringing in team-rating. FFS does garbage time with DeColo, CoJo, Ayers and Bonner mean anything to you?

One thing that I notice you completely lack the ability to do is talk about skills. Just bull garbage time stats. Nevermind that he can shoot with either hand, has a jumper to 18 feet, shows vision passing out of the high and low post for assists, that he has the ability to challenge shots above the rim and has the strength and aggressiveness to compete and win vs NBA big men for rebounds. I have seen him make quick rotations to shut off middle penetration and the baseline, run the floor, etc, etc.

[Dex]

He'll be back.

But if history serves as any example, it appears they Ayres has put himself down the Path of the Doghouse that many a Spurs bigman has followed (Rose, Rasho, Mahinmi, Blair, Baynes). Pop will probably give him another shot by tossing him some minutes eventually, Ayres will probably fail to seize it like he fails to catch everything else, and this process will repeat until he gets traded or made the official water boy.

[heyheymymy]

damn shame, I had high hopes for him and still think he could come around, but it has been a slow process thus far. remember how great he looked in camp? i think he's just over thinking it and will come around. we just need him to be an elson type player or at least as good as blair really. hope it all starts clicking for him real soon.

[Chomag]

I honestly don't think so, I think because of the current roster make up with injuries this is just what Pop thinks is best but once the regular roster is all back he will be back in.

Of course if Pops old love ( Red Rocket) keeps it up Pop might have to go back to his old GF.