View Poll Results: Do you trust Marco and Manu come playoff time?

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  • I trust Manu and Marco

    84 67.20%
  • I trust Marco only,

    15 12.00%
  • I trust Manu only

    15 12.00%
  • I don't trust either

    9 7.20%
  • Other

    2 1.60%
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  1. #76
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    vs Dallas with game close at end he did a drive, jumped in the air, got caught having his original pass intention being covered. So he does a twirly bird and chucks it back out beyond the arc where luckily a Spur was there to catch it. Shades of Miami Game 6 all over again.

    He's been great at times, bad at times.

    What it's gonna come down to is Pop pulling him or not.
    Game 6 he became Miamis MVP enabled by Pop.

  2. #77
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    Yeah, but you're using two different "ands" and concatenating their meanings. Looking at your example, you're using "and" as an inclusive disjunction in the question and as an injunction in the first answer, meaning that liking both is an option. That's technically an inappopriate use of the word. "Or" should be used there, not "and". But colloquially, we use "and" anyway.

    Counter-example:

    A headline reads, "People prefer cats, dogs to spiders".

    The colloquial translation of that is, "People prefer cats and dogs to spiders." But it doesn't necessitate the injunction. In fact, it implies the inclusive disjunction, unless the poll had answers like a) cats and dogs b) spiders. The translation was inappropriate, yet the use of the comma was correct.

    Scrub says he intended to use the disjunction instead of the injunction. His poll questions support that. His use of "and" is technically incorrect, but it's colloquially acceptable. So too is using a comma to indicate that. It was kind of inconsistent, but not really confusing.
    His use of "and" is indeed technically incorrect if you accept his claims of intent after the fact. When i posted the first time in this thread, he had not made such a claim therefore it's rational to be confused by "Manu, Marco" in the thread le and "Manu and Marco" in the poll question.

    Also, my example uses the same format his question used. Change "like" for "trust" and change " s and ass" for "Manu and Marco" and you get the same thing. So, if I am concatenating their meanings, so was he.

    The term "colloquially acceptable", to me, means it's not correct but good enough for you since the term isn't objective.

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    Only if I am not lumping Marco and Patty into one group.

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    His use of "and" is indeed technically incorrect if you accept his claims of intent after the fact. When i posted the first time in this thread, he had not made such a claim therefore it's rational to be confused by "Manu, Marco" in the thread le and "Manu and Marco" in the poll question.

    Also, my example uses the same format his question used. Change "like" for "trust" and change " s and ass" for "Manu and Marco" and you get the same thing. So, if I am concatenating their meanings, so was he.

    The term "colloquially acceptable", to me, means it's not correct but good enough for you since the term isn't objective.
    Either way, your description of his comma error was incorrect. Commas are used to separate series of objects

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    Either way, your description of his comma error was incorrect. Commas are used to separate series of objects
    But why separate them? If you say "do you trust Manu, Marco?" what are you asking?

    It's obvious what he meant. Do you trust Manu and Marco together, the Mario brothers... in the playoffs. Then he gave the option to take a on Manu.

    Stop being stupid about it.

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    argues about this for over a day and calls me philopolemic

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    But why separate them? If you say "do you trust Manu, Marco?" what are you asking?

    It's obvious what he meant. Do you trust Manu and Marco together, the Mario brothers... in the playoffs. Then he gave the option to take a on Manu.

    Stop being stupid about it.
    No one was arguing his meaning. I was stating that your perception of the comma must be wrong based on your response. Sorry that you are failing under pressure.

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    What a silly waste of time correcting someone's grammar on a message board. Anyone who took the time to read the poll knows exactly what the OP meant. So this is what a Spurs off day looks like.

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    lol derailed for pages talking about a comma... I am the master.

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    Only if I am not lumping Marco and Patty into one group.
    Which you weren't.

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    Which you weren't.
    You can't argue against my intent, according to this thread.

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    Marco went 1 for 19 in Italy most important game at the Eurobasket, single-handedly preventing them to qualify for the world cup...

    I voted Manu because well he earned it, imo it's on Pop to react when he's getting too loose with the ball...

    Not sold on Marco being any better than Neal and the Bobcat game only reinforced that belief...

    Also Turnobili is a DPOY candidate compared to Marco, was nice to see some vintage blocks (+ much better post defense than Marco).

    Edit : the I'm the only one who voted Manu only...
    Manu is a srub who just got an undeserved 7m a year contract after point shaving for the Heat last June.

    Don't expect much support for chokers.

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    Edit nvm

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    he was only guy with the 3 falling. Then he decided to just throw the ball anywhere

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    Manu has been through too many big time battles to just give up on him, his numbers don't reflect it, but every 3 he hit was a shot in the arm for us. Marco has been stinking it up for the last month or so he just continued that trend tonight, I am not a big Marco believer, if at all. I was surprised at Pattys poor play hopefully he will show up on Wednesday.

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    Overall GNob had many good plays.
    His key turnovers need to be stopped however.
    Get him out if he is going to endanger another Championship. We have the bench just like we had it last year.

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    I think Beli will pick it up... rough game from him.

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    only 8 people... would be nice to see who doesn't back down tbh

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    I don't trust anyone except the Big Four in the playoffs, tbh.

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    I trust Ginobili enough that he'll play to his season numbers(12 ppg). No faith in Belinelli though - he's been garbage for a month now. Always thought it was a bad idea to use our MLE on him and Ayres.

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    I don't trust Manu at all. Dude had 4 TO's today. More than any other Spurs player. Playoffs have started so Manu's turnovers will increase

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    I think Beli will pick it up... rough game from him.


    Ferrari will come through

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    Ferrari will come through
    Marco Bellinelli-26 mpg, 35 % FG, 24.1% 3PT In April. I hope he can, but he's definitely a prolonged slump.

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    Ferrari will come through
    He's not a Ferrari anymore, he's more like a FIAT.

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