Last Six Months Coldest Since 1912

[MannyIsGod]

I just posted something that is true. The fact that I posted it only to get a predictable response doesn't make it untrue.

How quickly you forget what you lie about. Say you're trolling, spew bull about what I post about, or any other you want but you're lies are right there.

Pretty pathetic.

[SnakeBoy]

How quickly you forget what you lie about. Say you're trolling, spew bull about what I post about, or any other you want but you're lies are right there.

lol That's your proof I'm a liar?

When ABC news reports that for much of the country it has been the coldest winter in 100 years I assume they have check the temperature record. You pulling data out of your ass only proves them wrong, as I already said you can tell to ABC news. If you want you can claim it proves me somewhat gullible but it doesn't prove me a liar.

Your the one trying to change the subject. You claim to be a professional climate scientist when you're just a guy who opposes cold weather...as I have demonstrated in this thread. Talk about moving goalposts.


Last time we did this it ended with me saying...

Not responding to bull ...hmmm maybe you are becoming a professional after all.

I would say I was wrong, I guess you would claim I was lying about you becoming a professional.

lol professional climate scientist
lol hates cold weather

[MannyIsGod]

All I see here is someone butthurt about being caught in a lie and then writing a load trying to justify it to someone on the internet who they say they're just trolling. I'm going to guess that when you're sitting there trying to justify your lies, you're doing a bad job of trolling. A liar, and a troll.

[boutons_deux]

VRWC/Fox would say more evidence of the conspiratorial hoaxers hoaxing

Scientists tell Americans: This climate change thing really is a big deal





One of the world’s largest and most influential science organizations is launching a new campaign to cut through the noise of climate denialism and help the public understand the threat of climate change.

The American Association for the Advancement of Science kicked things off on Monday by publishing a 20-page report en led What We Know. The gist: We know that global warming is real, risky, and demands a serious response — “the three Rs of climate change.”

“We’re trying to provide a voice for the scientific community on this issue so that we can help the country, help the world move this issue forward,” AAAS CEO Alan Leshner said during a call with reporters on Tuesday morning. “If we don’t move now we are at tremendous risk for some very high impact consequences, many of which are laid out in the report.”

The AAAS has also assembled a panel of a 13 leading scientists who will make public presentations and try to spread climate smarts far and wide.

Here’s an explanation of those three climate Rs from the initiative’s website:

The first is Reality — 97% of climate experts have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening.

The second is Risk — that the reality of climate change means that there are climate change impacts we can expect, but we also must consider what might happen, especially the small, but real, chance that we may face abrupt changes with massively disruptive impacts.

The third R is Response — that there is much we can do and that the sooner we respond, the better off we will be.

The report is not all gloom and doom. The call to action is premised on hope:

By making informed choices now, we can reduce risks for future generations and ourselves, and help communities adapt to climate change. People have responded successfully to other major environmental challenges such as acid rain and the ozone hole with benefits greater than costs, and scientists working with economists believe there are ways to manage the risks of climate change while balancing current and future economic prosperity.

As scientists, it is not our role to tell people what they should do or must believe about the rising threat of climate change. But we consider it to be our responsibility as professionals to ensure, to the best of our ability, that people understand what we know: human-caused climate change is happening, we face risks of abrupt, unpredictable and potentially irreversible changes, and responding now will lower the risk and cost of taking action.

Renowned climate scientist Michael Mann – a member at large of AAAS’s atmospheric sciences division but not a member of the new climate panel — lauded the initiative. “AAAS is the largest non-governmental scientific membership body in the world, so them taking such an affirmative role in the societal debate over climate change, and what to do about it, is significant,” Mann told Grist.

“The crux of the matter is that, despite the overwhelming scientific consensus that exists that, (a) climate change is real, (b) it is caused by us, and (c) it poses a grave threat to society if we do nothing about it, the public still thinks that there is a ‘debate’ on each of those elements,” Mann said.

http://grist.org/news/scientists-tel..._campaign=feed

VRWC/BigCarbon, are, like the Bible-thumpers, winning the war of truth vs LIES, in that they say global warming and creationism are equally/more valid as non-global warming and evolution, for 10Ms of stupid, ignorant, disengaged, misinformed Americans, the kind of Americans the VRWC/BigCarbon depends on.

[pgardn]

Another blanket for the snakes cold:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/sc...port.html?_r=0

[DarrinS]

'Hurricane Shmuricane’, if I may...

[Wild Cobra]

'Hurricane Shmuricane’, if I may...

Because of another forum, I just took a couple scenes from a show, one of which has Bill Nye. This article prompted me to do so:

link: Neil deGrasse Tyson: Don't Worry, Earth Will Survive Climate Change — We Won't

I ripped two clips off of a DVD collection I have. Here they are, the first is Dr. Keller speaking of the planet not needing saving. This episode was in 2008:



Now in the same episode, earlier, is Neil deGrasse Tyson. Like in the episode, looks like he stole the idea:

[xrayzebra]

Well, I personally don't think that the polar outbreak has anything to do with climate change. Cold outbreaks have occurred in the past and in fact they're occurring now with less frequency and they're of a much shorter duration. In fact, if you compare the days under freezing this winter with those during previous cold outbreaks you see that the one this year is mild in comparison. There are scientists who believe that amplified jet stream patterns are being locked in place more often due to climate change. I don't fully buy this yet as I would need to see a longer record of this happening or better understanding of the physical processes in the atmospheric flow that cause this. It has been proposed but the jury is absolutely still out on this. That being said, those who make this claim don't say it will mean colder winters. The same pattern that brings cold to certain regions under this pattern brings extreme warmth to others. Hence, the western half of the continent had a very warm winter. You're just ignorant of what the science actually says and instead you choose to listen to liars like yourself and propagate their lies.

But this is moving the goalposts. You said the winter was the coldest since the early 20th century. That was a lie. You are a liar. Now that you've been caught in your lie, you're trying to use the term "unusual". Its barely in the coldest third of winters. You're not even right here. This winter was a pretty ing normal winter in the grand scheme of things. Since when is a winter right smack in the normal distribution of winters "unusual"? Can you just not help yourself with the ing lies? Pathological.

Manny, I submit the following for your "expertness". I am just an old man, who has seen a few winters and summers in Texas and elsewhere and I can assure you I have also seen the "once in a lifetime" occurrences of both hot and cold and wet and dry And I would like to remind all the posters on here, which I have done before, that we, as far as we know, have had two periods of ice. And strangely both times that ice has disappeared without the benefit of green house gasses. We may very well be experiencing climate change, wouldn't surprise me, the seasons change several times a year. But I can assure everyone that driving electric cars, generating electricity with wind and solar and not drilling for oil and the best yet, increasing TAXES, is not going to solve the problem. Any idiot who thinks we can change what God has created needs a good re-education. Man just aint that smart or powerful. Now you don't like that statement lump it.


’600 page litany of doom’: Weather Channel Co-Founder John Coleman slams Federal climate report: A ‘total distortion of the data and agenda driven, destructive episode of bad science gone berserk’

Coleman: 'When the temperature data could no longer be bent to support global warming, they switched to climate change and now blame every weather and climate event on CO2 despite the hard, cold fact that the “radiative forcing” theory they built their claims on has totally failed to verify.'

'The current bad science is all based on a theory that the increase in the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from the exhaust of the burning of fossil fuels leads to a dramatic increase in “the greenhouse effect” causing temperatures to skyrocket uncontrollably. This theory has failed to verify and is obviously dead wrong. But the politically funded and agenda driven scientists who have built their careers on this theory and live well on the 2.6 billion dollars of year of Federal grants for global warming/climate change research cling to this theory and bend the data spread to support the glorified claims in their reports and papers.'



By: Marc Morano - Climate DepotMay 7, 2014 7:35 AM with 337 comments

Update: ’Climate Hustle’ or ‘American Doomsday’?! Obama climate report panned by scientists – ‘Pseudoscience’ ‘sales pitch’ ‘follow the money’ ‘total distortion’ ‘false premise’ ‘outdated & wrong’ ‘failure’

(For more on global temperature standstill see here: Global Temperature Update: No global warming at all for 17 years 9 months)

John Coleman’s Blog for Wednesday, May 7th

The sky is falling. “Climate Change” is running wild and disaster is certain unless we immediately stop burning coal and oil and move quickly to “green energy” to eliminate use of fossil fuels. Heat waves, huge floods, powerful storms, droughts and rising seas are on the verge of killing millions of us and destroying our civilization. That is my summary of the new Federal Assessment of Climate Change issued by a Obama administration team of more than 300 specialists guided by a 60-member federal advisory committee produced the report. It was reviewed by federal agencies and a panel of the National Academy of Sciences.

This 600 page litany of doom and gloom has received extensive coverage by the panting anchors of the national media who feel important when tell their audience that “the sky is falling.” Horrible pictures of storms, floods, drought and heat waves leaped out of the TV sets as the New York and Washington DC headquartered media was particularly excited to tell us how the huge increases in floods and storms was the worst in that part of the nation.

If you accept the picture painted by this report, the weather was just right, steady and nice in the historic past but because our industrialized society has powered its heating and air conditioning, its transportation by train, plane, cars and trucks, generated it’s electric power to run our lights, computers, television and smart phones with fossil fuels it has triggered this nightmare of awful storms, droughts and heat waves.

I am deeply disturbed to have to suffer through this total distortion of the data and agenda driven, destructive episode of bad science gone berserk. The only good news is that I least where I am and on the channels and websites I saw I was not further insulted by fawning TV Weathercasters visiting the White House and interviewing the President. I best I can tell, on a national level, that turned out to be a non-event (thank goodness).

Please allow me to hold your attention for a few minutes to explain why I don’t buy into this Climate Change alarmism. The climate of Earth has never been “normal” or stable. It has continuously changed through this planet’s 4.5 billion year history. Powerful storms, floods, droughts, heat waves and ice and snow storms have come and gone as long as Earth has existed.

The current bad science is all based on a theory that the increase in the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from the exhaust of the burning of fossil fuels leads to a dramatic increase in “the greenhouse effect” causing temperatures to skyrocket uncontrollably. This theory has failed to verify and is obviously dead wrong. But the politically funded and agenda driven scientists who have built their careers on this theory and live well on the 2.6 billion dollars of year of Federal grants for global warming/climate change research cling to this theory and bend the data spread to support the glorified claims in their reports and papers.

When the temperature data could no longer be bent to support global warming, they switched to climate change and now blame every weather and climate event on CO2 despite the hard, cold fact that the “radiative forcing” theory they built their claims on has totally failed to verify.

They call people such as me who debunk their non-scientific silliness as “deniers” and claim we are flat-earthers and shills for “big oil”. It is insulting and maddening. But I will not be silenced. And neither will the thousand others, many of them with Ph.D.’s and on the faculties of major universities who are working to stop this bad science that labels CO2 as a pollutant and blames it for every shift in the weather.

We will be gathering, we global warming skeptics, at Heartland Ins utes 9th International Conference on Climate Change, July 7 – 9, 2014 in Las Vegas. You can learn about that conference at http://climateconference.heartland.org/. I will be one of the speakers at the breakfast session on Tuesday July 8th. Look at the list of speakers on the website and you will see an impressive group. A group of the powerful Ph.D.’s in the group have recently published a complete scientific do ent that totaling destroys the climate change alarmism of the US Democrat Party and the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. You can find that publication on line at http://climatechangereconsidered.org/.

In the meantime, through blogs, and radio and television interviews whenever any of us can get on the air we will continue to try to debunk this way of climate alarmism. For instance, I will be on the air on WLS Radio in Chicago with Bruce Wolf & Dan Proft on Wednesday morning (today) at 8:45 AM Chicago time (6:45 AM San Diego time) and do my best to tell the real story of climate and weather. You can listen to that broadcast on line at

http://player.streamtheworld.com/_pl...=1044&nid=2920

All of this not withstanding, my life is sooo good. Every day is fun and relaxed since I have ended the tread mill life of grinding out all those TV weathercasts a day. I now do my dancing for fun only. LOL

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Oh, and I might add, I do not consider a local weather person, on TV or radio much of an expert on anything except being a TV personality and having the great ability to read without saying "ah". I understand Rucker TV weatherguy interviewed Obama today, without ing his pants, and people want to portray that as two people who knew what they were talking about.

Everyone have a great day.

[pgardn]

'Hurricane Shmuricane’, if I may...

Science bullying the public because the public does not like the news...

Tsk, tsk...

When scientists say some of the worst infections one can get exist in hospitals there is a huge outcry and people extend their hospitals stays. Don't bully me out of my bed. Quit being a bully.

But tell people they are closely related to apes and that people can and do affect the environment, well then. Don't change challenge my ways of thinking or my way of life in any significant manner. Keep it to the things that I can deal with.

Any idiot who thinks we can change what God has created needs a good re-education. Man just aint that smart or powerful. Now you don't like that statement lump it.



Where do we go to get re-educated, your church?

[xrayzebra]

Where do we go to get educated, your church?

Yes. that is one place I learn. You might try it, you might like it and learn at the same time. But then I can see common sense plays no part in your narrow life. You do realize that where you are standing/sitting at the present time is just a speck on the face of this earth. And that you exhale the stuff that is going to kill you according to the "consensus" of opinion of all those learned scientist.

Get a life, go to church.

[pgardn]

Where do we go to get educated, your church?

Yes. that is one place I learn. You might try it, you might like it and learn at the same time. But then I can see common sense plays no part in your narrow life. You do realize that where you are standing/sitting at the present time is just a speck on the face of this earth. And that you exhale the stuff that is going to kill you according to the "consensus" of opinion of all those learned scientist.

Get a life, go to church.

Been there done that.
I like it on occasions, the history brought forth through ritualism and all.
I do not ask my church about climatology though.
Most people do not go to a yogurt shop to ask for a steak.
Most people...

I find it reasonable to go to the right place to ask questions, places that can actually answer the questions I ask.
But heck, that's just me...

Say, why did God give me some ability to reason but left you out?
Because you have a life please ask this of your, uhmmm, the speck on your dog.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Where do we go to get educated, your church?

Yes. that is one place I learn. You might try it, you might like it and learn at the same time. But then I can see common sense plays no part in your narrow life. You do realize that where you are standing/sitting at the present time is just a speck on the face of this earth. And that you exhale the stuff that is going to kill you according to the "consensus" of opinion of all those learned scientist.

Get a life, go to church.

Are you really going to argue that the things we expel from our bodies should default to benign? You think eating is a good idea?

I went to church from birth to age 14 when I was finally given the choice to go or not, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart: you and the the proselytizing horse you rode in on.

[xrayzebra]

Been there done that.
I like it on occasions, the history brought forth through ritualism and all.
I do not ask my church about climatology though.
Most people do not go to a yogurt shop to ask for a steak.
Most people...

I find it reasonable to go to the right place to ask questions, places that can actually answer the questions I ask.
But heck, that's just me...

Say, why did God give me some ability to reason but left you out?
Because you have a life please ask this of your, uhmmm, the speck on your dog.

Yep, reasonable place to get questions answered: Spurs Talk politics.......

Been there done that.
I like it on occasions, the history brought forth through ritualism and all.
I do not ask my church about climatology though.
Most people do not go to a yogurt shop to ask for a steak.
Most people...

I find it reasonable to go to the right place to ask questions, places that can actually answer the questions I ask.
But heck, that's just me...

Say, why did God give me some ability to reason but left you out?
Because you have a life please ask this of your, uhmmm, the speck on your dog.

Let me assure you I was not left out. I just ask the right questions. Not blindly follow, like some.

[Wild Cobra]

Let me assure you I was not left out. I just ask the right questions. Not blindly follow, like some.

Yet those of us who do ask the right questions, are called deniers.

Those who do follow the dogma in this case, are the deniers of truth. They believe climastrology with the true faith of a religious fanatic.

[boutons_deux]

How Cable News Covered The Landmark Climate Change Report





http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...ment-coverage/

btw, MEDIAN AGE of Fox viewers: 68

[boutons_deux]

Miami Finds Itself Ankle-Deep in Climate Change Debate

The sunny-day flooding was happening again. During high tide one recent afternoon, Eliseo Toussaint looked out the window of his Alton Road laundromat and watched bottle-green sal er seep from the gutters, fill the street and block the entrance to his front door.

“This never used to happen,” Mr. Toussaint said. “I’ve owned this place eight years, and now it’s all the time.”

Down the block at an electronics store it is even worse. Jankel Aleman, a salesman, keeps plastic bags and rubber bands handy to wrap around his feet when he trudges from his car to the store through ever-rising waters.

Sea levels have risen eight inches since 1870, according to the new report, which projects a further rise of one to four feet by the end of the century. Waters around southeast Florida could surge up to two feet by 2060, according to a report by the Southeast Florida Regional Climate Compact. A study by the Florida Department of Transportation concluded that over the next 35 years, rising sea levels will increasingly flood and damage smaller local roads in the Miami area.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/05/08...te-change.html

same happening around the Chesapeake Bay

[pgardn]

Yep, reasonable place to get questions answered: Spurs Talk politics.......



Let me assure you I was not left out. I just ask the right questions. Not blindly follow, like some.

Let me assure you, you were left out if you go to your church to ask about climate or evolution.
You follow what makes you comfortable just like our resident WC. You can't handle uncomfortable prospects.
I truly wish we could use all the hydrocarbons we wanted without worry. But sadly, this does not accurately portray the situation at this time.

Spurs talk politics... read the GD papers listed and made by people who know better than to hope when they can actually approach an answer. You have not a clue as to which questions to ask in certain settings.

Go tuck yourself in and tell yourself God will work everything out for you even though you have the choice to do so on your own. Why he gave you the ability to be responsible and actually have some control over your life... Maybe ask him this in your prayer. Maybe you have sinned by not taking responsibility? Ask...

[pgardn]

Yet those of us who do ask the right questions, are called deniers.

Those who do follow the dogma in this case, are the deniers of truth. They believe climastrology with the true faith of a religious fanatic.

You don't ask questions you just make things up.
You taught us all about Texas education in High school by literally just guessing based on your experiences in the NW.
This board is experienced with your antics. I just cannot believe you continue to post given the utter falsehoods you have already espoused. You seem like a decent person, just absolutely awash in the make believe. And everything you experience must be what others experience. Your inability to empathize is astounding.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You don't ask questions you just make things up.
You taught us all about Texas education in High school by literally just guessing based on your experiences in the NW.
This board is experienced with your antics. I just cannot believe you continue to post given the utter falsehoods you have already espoused. You seem like a decent person, just absolutely awash in the make believe. And everything you experience must be what others experience. Your inability to empathize is astounding.

I don't know about decent but autistic i can see.

[xrayzebra]

boutons, can you tell me when the last time some of these learned news media reported on these exalted scientist stopped a hurricane, tornado, blizzard, drought or any other weather related incident. I assume they are capable of doing this since they can stop climate change. Or advise us how we are causing it. Just a simple question, surely Al Jazzera has an answer since they are such experts and spend so much time on the subject. Please get back to me on this important topic.

Oh, I wish one of these learned, exalted climatologist would take over the forecasting duties on our local TV stations. The ones we have cant ever get it right 24 hours in advance. I still waiting on those heavy rains and storms we were promised.

[xrayzebra]

You don't ask questions you just make things up.
You taught us all about Texas education in High school by literally just guessing based on your experiences in the NW.
This board is experienced with your antics. I just cannot believe you continue to post given the utter falsehoods you have already espoused. You seem like a decent person, just absolutely awash in the make believe. And everything you experience must be what others experience. Your inability to empathize is astounding.

Why don't you try rebuking someone with facts not attacking them in a personal manner. There is plenty of material out there. Climate is continually changing that is not questioned. The reason is what I am arguing about. And people from your side want to put it out as man-made and proven science when it isn't proven science. The theory put forth by these "experts" have had so many holes poked into it that it is now laughable. The emails released a few years back proved they made up their facts and hid facts. I have no desire to re-hash all that, but I am sure you are aware of those facts.

Oh, from an old man, who has lived in Texas a good portion of his life, drought and hot weather is nothing new, daily records are not new, hot or cold, also from an old man who was in New Jersey in 1947 and saw 36 inches of snow fall overnight, in December, I can say with certainty that records are continually made and broken. But I can also assure you that man did not cause these records and broken records. Then or now.

[boutons_deux]

boutons, can you tell me when the last time some of these learned news media reported on these exalted scientist stopped a hurricane, tornado, blizzard, drought or any other weather related incident. I assume they are capable of doing this since they can stop climate change. Or advise us how we are causing it. Just a simple question, surely Al Jazzera has an answer since they are such experts and spend so much time on the subject. Please get back to me on this important topic.

Oh, I wish one of these learned, exalted climatologist would take over the forecasting duties on our local TV stations. The ones we have cant ever get it right 24 hours in advance. I still waiting on those heavy rains and storms we were promised.

you prove yourself laughably stupid and ignorant by assuming climate scientists can stop weather events, and by conflating weather events with climate change.

You obviously missed it, or dismissed it: the claim is that since BigCarbon (coal, oil) began fueling the industrial revolution starting in the mid-19th century, there has been a huge jump in atmospheric CO2 causing retention of heat, aka, AGW, anthropogenic global warming.

btw, local weather forecasting is mostly accurate for 3 - 5 days in advance.

IIRC, you were career military, and now you get your science and history in church. Always taking orders and life structure from external sources, makes one really really dumb, eg, yourself.

[pgardn]

Why don't you try rebuking someone with facts not attacking them in a personal manner. There is plenty of material out there. Climate is continually changing that is not questioned. The reason is what I am arguing about. And people from your side want to put it out as man-made and proven science when it isn't proven science. The theory put forth by these "experts" have had so many holes poked into it that it is now laughable. The emails released a few years back proved they made up their facts and hid facts. I have no desire to re-hash all that, but I am sure you are aware of those facts.

Oh, from an old man, who has lived in Texas a good portion of his life, drought and hot weather is nothing new, daily records are not new, hot or cold, also from an old man who was in New Jersey in 1947 and saw 36 inches of snow fall overnight, in December, I can say with certainty that records are continually made and broken. But I can also assure you that man did not cause these records and broken records. Then or now.

So your experience and record keeping as an old man from Texas trumps claims from scientists around the world looking at worldwide data from far more accurate and reliable sources.

Gotcha.

And you can say with certainty climate has changed. Wow.

Its a wonder people have not asked you for your data and claims since you are so certain.

So all the holes from the scientists, lets have your rebuttals with sources.
But before that, your data and paper please so we can ALL decide, some are not comfortable with the WORD of an old religious nutcase from Texas.

Have you read the paper posted yet? The evidence... There are many more not from old men in Texas.

[xrayzebra]

So your experience and record keeping as an old man from Texas trumps claims from scientists around the world looking at worldwide data from far more accurate and reliable sources.

Gotcha.

And you can say with certainty climate has changed. Wow.

Its a wonder people have not asked you for your data and claims since you are so certain.

So all the holes from the scientists, lets have your rebuttals with sources.
But before that, your data and paper please so we can ALL decide, some are not comfortable with the WORD of an old religious nutcase from Texas.

Have you read the paper posted yet? The evidence... There are many more not from old men in Texas.

University of East Anglia emails: the most contentious quotes
Here are a selection of quotes from the emails stolen from computers at the University of East Anglia. Many involve Phil Jones, head of the university's Climatic Research Unit.

2:56PM GMT 23 Nov 2009

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From: Phil Jones. To: Many. Nov 16, 1999
"I've just completed Mike's Nature [the science journal] trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie, from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

Critics cite this as evidence that data was manipulated to mask the fact that global temperatures are falling. Prof Jones claims the meaning of "trick" has been misinterpreted

From Phil Jones To: Michael Mann (Pennsylvania State University). July 8, 2004
"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
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The IPCC is the UN body charged with monitoring climate change. The scientists did not want it to consider studies that challenge the view that global warming is genuine and man-made.

From: Kevin Trenberth (US National Center for Atmospheric Research). To: Michael Mann. Oct 12, 2009
"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't... Our observing system is inadequate"

Prof Trenberth appears to accept a key argument of global warming sceptics - that there is no evidence temperatures have increased over the past 10 years.

From: Phil Jones. To: Many. March 11, 2003
“I will be emailing the journal to tell them I’m having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor.”

Prof Jones appears to be lobbying for the dismissal of the editor of Climate Research, a scientific journal that published papers downplaying climate change.

From Phil Jones. To: Michael Mann. Date: May 29, 2008
"Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise."

Climate change sceptics tried to use Freedom of Information laws to obtain raw climate data submitted to an IPCC report known as AR4. The scientists did not want their email exchanges about the data to be made public.

From: Michael Mann. To: Phil Jones and Gabi Hegerl (University of Edinburgh). Date: Aug 10, 2004
"Phil and I are likely to have to respond to more crap criticisms from the idiots in the near future."

The scientists make no attempt to hide their disdain for climate change sceptics who request more information about their work.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...us-quotes.html

A new batch of emails purportedly stolen from the servers at the University of East Anglia were posted online Tuesday, echoing the 2009 data breach dubbed "Climategate" that turned the world's attention to the internal debates among scientists hoping to determine whether man's actions are warming the planet.

Excerpts from the emails posted on climate skeptic websites are certainly eye-opening:

<1939> Thorne/MetO: Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest.

<3066> Thorne: I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it, which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.

<4755> Overpeck: The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e] what’s included and what is left out.

The leak comes less than a week before the latest United Nations meeting intended to control carbon emissions and monitor the world's climate -- a fact underscored in a do ent that accompanied the leaked emails.

"Today’s decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on hiding the decline," the anonymous do ent states, a reference to a comment from the first batch of emails that became a rallying point for climate skeptics.

The University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit -- a key center of climate study and the source of the leaked emails -- immediately issued a statement blasting the release and its timing.

"These emails have the appearance of having been held back after the theft of data and emails in 2009 to be released at a time designed to cause maximum disruption to the imminent international climate talks," the school stated.

University of East Anglia spokesman Simon Dunford nonetheless told the Associated Press that a small sample examined by the university "appears to be genuine" -- although the school stated that they did not seem to be recent emails.

"While we have had only a limited opportunity to look at this latest post of 5,000 emails, we have no evidence of a recent breach of our systems," the statement reads.

FoxNews.com downloaded the do ents, which appear to have been taken down from the Russian website that had been hosting them.

And the anonymous source of the latest leaked emails -- a 173MB zip file called "FOIA2011" containing more than 5,000 new emails and made briefly available on Russian server Sinwt.ru -- remains unclear. The perpetrator of the original hack has yet to be unmasked, although British police have said their investigation is still active.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...e-researchers/

And then what you can learn in church:

Matthew 16:1-4

King James Version (KJV)

16 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

And finally:

Job 12:12

New International Version (NIV)

12 Is not wisdom found among the aged?
Does not long life bring understanding?

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