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    Do you expect the oil companies to shoot their own foot?
    Of course not, but as Scott has posted before there is more than enough oil out there to alleviate today's rising prices, it's just that oil companies have no incentive to get at this oil because it not 'sweet crude' and it will cost more and take more time to process, or because they are looking at higher prices reducing demand in the July numbers just released. I remember when this happened under Clinton W responded that he would 'jawbone' the Saudis, well, George, its time for you to jawbone somebody alright- your oil TX buddies.

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    In case you missed it, don't miss this Chilling article by Peter Maass of the NY Times concerning the Laws of Oil supply and demand...

    The Breaking Point
    By PETER MAASS
    Published: August 21, 2005


    The largest oil terminal in the world, Ras Tanura, is located on the eastern coast of Saudi Arabia, along the Persian Gulf. From Ras Tanura's control tower, you can see the classic totems of oil's dominion -- supertankers coming and going, row upon row of storage tanks and miles and miles of pipes. Ras Tanura, which I visited in June, is the funnel through which nearly 10 percent of the world's daily supply of petroleum flows. Standing in the control tower, you are surrounded by more than 50 million barrels of oil, yet not a drop can be seen.

    The oil is there, of course. In a technological sleight of hand, oil can be extracted from the deserts of Arabia, processed to get rid of water and gas, sent through pipelines to a terminal on the gulf, loaded onto a supertanker and shipped to a port thousands of miles away, then run through a refinery and poured into a tanker truck that delivers it to a suburban gas station, where it is pumped into an S.U.V. -- all without anyone's actually glimpsing the stuff. So long as there is enough oil to fuel the global economy, it is not only out of sight but also out of mind, at least for consumers.

    I visited Ras Tanura because oil is no longer out of mind, thanks to record prices caused by refinery shortages and surging demand -- most notably in the United States and China -- which has strained the capacity of oil producers and especially Saudi Arabia, the largest exporter of all. Unlike the 1973 crisis, when the embargo by the Arab members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries created an artificial shortfall, today's shortage, or near-shortage, is real. If demand surges even more, or if a producer goes offline because of unrest or terrorism, there may suddenly not be enough oil to go around.

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    In the past several years, the gap between demand and supply, once considerable, has steadily narrowed, and today is almost negligible. The consequences of an actual shortfall of supply would be immense. If consumption begins to exceed production by even a small amount, the price of a barrel of oil could soar to triple-digit levels. This, in turn, could bring on a global recession, a result of exorbitant prices for transport fuels and for products that rely on petrochemicals -- which is to say, almost every product on the market. The impact on the American way of life would be profound: cars cannot be propelled by roof-borne windmills. The suburban and exurban lifestyles, hinged to two-car families and constant trips to work, school and Wal-Mart, might become unaffordable or, if gas rationing is imposed, impossible. Carpools would be the least imposing of many inconveniences; the cost of home heating would soar -- assuming, of course, that climate-controlled habitats do not become just a fond memory.
    It's not a matter of if so much as a matter of when anymore. Demand will soon surpass supply.
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    Says who? Says the US Energy Department...

    One of the starkest warnings came in a February report commissioned by the United States Department of Energy's National Energy Technology Laboratory. ''Because oil prices have been relatively high for the past decade, oil companies have conducted extensive exploration over that period, but their results have been disappointing,'' stated the report, assembled by Science Applications International, a research company that works on security and energy issues. ''If recent trends hold, there is little reason to expect that exploration success will dramatically improve in the future. . . . The image is one of a world moving from a long period in which reserves additions were much greater than consumption to an era in which annual additions are falling increasingly short of annual consumption. This is but one of a number of trends that suggest the world is fast approaching the inevitable PEAKING of conventional world oil production.''

    The reference to ''peaking'' is not a haphazard word choice -- ''peaking'' is a term used in oil geology to define the critical point at which reservoirs can no longer produce increasing amounts of oil. (This tends to happen when reservoirs are about half-empty.) ''Peak oil'' is the point at which maximum production is reached; afterward, no matter how many wells are drilled in a country, production begins to decline. Saudi Arabia and other OPEC members may have enough oil to last for generations, but that is no longer the issue. The eventual and painful shift to different sources of energy -- the start of the post-oil age -- does not begin when the last drop of oil is sucked from under the Arabian desert. It begins when producers are unable to continue increasing their output to meet rising demand. Crunch time comes long before the last drop.

    ''The world has never faced a problem like this,'' the report for the Energy Department concluded. ''Without massive mitigation more than a decade before the fact, the problem will be pervasive and will not be temporary. Previous energy transitions (wood to coal and coal to oil) were gradual and evolutionary; oil peaking will be abrupt and revolutionary.''
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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    By the way, this is what I posted would happen to gas prices in 05. Please keep in mind I posted this on January 2-4, 05...

    1. Gas Prices - Gas prices will continue to fluctuate between 1.50 and 2.00 per gallon, but a short-term crisis could raise the price of oil to close to 3.00-4.00 per gallon in some parts of the country. It will be a harsh winter in the East with home heating costs eating up much of people's expendable income. Some will perish from trying to save money on heating costs in freezing temperatures. Some businesses and government buildings will be forced to close to conserve electricity and heating oil. Old man winter will bring the NE to a virtual standstill for days and it will be difficult to meet the demand of heating costs. For some reason, I'm seeing the Ohio region to be especially susceptible for a catastrophe.

    The demand for oil from India's and China's growing infrastructure will continue forcing gas prices to increase dramatically by the end of the year. Expect to be paying 2.00 average if not more. The oil wars of Afghanistan and Iraq will spread to more countries surrounding the Caspian Sea region, including likely Iran. A successful terrorist attack on Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure could be the catalyst that sends oil prices souring.
    Hummm....Never did complete the last 3 predictions in that post, but I got a pretty high hit-miss ratio going.

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    Yeah dude, don't hurt your arm with all the self back clapping.

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    You also predicted $4/gallon by the end of last year, but who's keeping track?

    And we're still waiting for that imminent draft now that Bush has been re-elected. But he wasn't going to be re-elected anyway.

    You're right, 1 out of 4 is pretty good.


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    2 out of 3 ain't bad.

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    You also predicted $4/gallon by the end of last year, but who's keeping track?
    Umm, no. That's something that you keep posting that has no basis in reality. I predicted $4 gas, but never gave a immediate timeline.

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    2 out of 3 ain't bad.
    Actually, of the 7 predictions I made in January, I'm running about 75%.

    Energy prices......check
    Mad Cow in US.....check
    Iraq Insurgency growing....check
    Hurricanes, tornado, floods....check
    Guantanamo Bay Abuse.....check
    Elli Lilly and Vioxx.....check...just announced this week
    The 2005 Military draft....not yet, but the year ain't over.

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    Umm, no. That's something that you keep posting that has no basis in reality. I predicted $4 gas, but never gave a immediate timeline.
    I predict my imcome will be higher than $1,000,000.00. No timeline.

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    Actually, of the 7 predictions I made in January 05, I'm running about 86%.

    Energy prices......check
    Mad Cow in US.....check
    Iraq Insurgency growing....check
    Hurricanes, tornado, floods....check
    Guantanamo Bay Abuse.....check
    Elli Lilly and Vioxx.....check...just announced this week
    The 2005 Military draft....not yet, but the year ain't over.

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    Nbadan, don't even act like you know anything about Mad Cow disease...

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    I predict my imcome will be higher than $1,000,000.00. No timeline.
    I predict you'll make $1,500,000.00. See how that works.


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    Nbadan, don't even act like you know anything about Mad Cow disease...
    I don't, but I'm pretty certain its here and the FDA is being hush about it to protect the cattle industry..

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    Umm, no. That's something that you keep posting that has no basis in reality. I predicted $4 gas, but never gave a immediate timeline.
    The thread le was "$4 Gallon in 2004."

    Somebody back me up here.

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    Those predictions are so ing vague and pretty obvious. You're worse than Ms. Cleo!

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    Didn't see you sticking your neck out, but then again you never do.

    You'd rather just treat us all as conspiracy theorists.

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    The thread le was "$4 Gallon in 2004."
    No, the tread was called $4 Gas.

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    Didn't see you sticking your neck out, but then again you never do.

    You'd rather just treat us all as conspiracy theorists.
    Well, what do you want me to make predictions on Dan? I just don't understand the entire point out the obvious and pat yourself on the back when it happens.

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    Uh, no. I doubt a "$4 Gas Sometime in the Inestimible Future" would have gotten pages and pages of argument.

    Fortunately for you, it was in the old forum, so it's not archived.

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    well, , i predict the average prices of houses will one day 1 million dollars... no timeline though

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    Spurminator says: President George W. Bush could die of a Heart Attack at some point during his final term as President.

    If this happens, I expect you all to bow down to my unmatched predictive power.

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    i don't like the high gas prices either, jesus, it cost me 37 and change to fillup my lumina on saturday.

    i've chosen to look at it as my contribution to the troops as i'm hoping for every gallon of gas i pump, a soldier gets a little more equipment, armor, whatever, to help the cause. Godbless them all.

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    Spurminator says: President George W. Bush could die of a Heart Attack at some point during his final term as President.

    If this happens, I expect you all to bow down to my unmatched predictive power.
    You do know that W is a health nut, right?

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    I don't, but I'm pretty certain its here and the FDA is being hush about it to protect the cattle industry..
    Well, it would be the USDA if there was a coverup, not the FDA.

    The fact is that not much is known about BSE. Only that a causal relationship was found by the buildup of free-radical like molecules known as prions in dairy cattle and other cattle on high-protein rations fed rendered sheep intestines (among other things) to bump up the protein levels. Any slaughered calf or yearling will not have appreciable buildup of prions and therefore BSE, a fact that even Japan and other markets have resigned themselves to believing. Not to mention that a majority of the 96 million beef cattle in the US are given a very low protein diet of grass and grains. Why? Because protein is expensive.

    Your beef is safe. If you're concerned about getting an old cow (even though NOT ONE PERSON EVER has gotten the human variant of BSE by eating an American cow, or Canadian for that matter), buy steaks and whole cuts of meat; they almost never come from old animals. If you want ground beef, get them to grind it for you from identifiable cuts of meat (ground round, sirloin, chuck, etc.)

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