Wade and Haslem opt out

[TampaDude]

I'll never be upset or "terrified" or disappointed after this championship. I can't see anything ever topping it tbh.

[Two10Whitey]

Doesn't matter what these pitiful and mediocre teams do this summer.. We have KYLE ANDERSON!

[cd021]

At 4 / $60 they could likely take escalating deals (+7.5% per year with Bird rights). That deal would start off at $13.4mm each and be $16.7mm by year 4. Under that scenario, they would be at:

Lowest I can see any of the contracts going:

$40.2mm Big Three (under above 4 / $60; likely that there's an opt-out after a few years and they can get back onto higher salaries)
$1.0 Shabazz (rookie scale)
$2.0 Cole
$1.45 Haslem (league minimum, assuming he takes that and Micky throws him some shares in the team when he retires)
$1.45 Lewis (same league minimum for 10+ years)
$1.45 Allen (starting to stretch here assuming he takes the minimum)
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$47.7mm on eight players

If they want to get another big fish, they would have roster holds on three spots at roughly $500k apiece (11 total) and assuming the $63.2mm cap, they would have $14.0mm to offer to that fourth guy. If he took the same amount as the Big 3, then there is $600k more to go around.

There are probably ways to maneuver around it by renouncing Allen, Haslem and Lewis and add another $3mm to the pot, but not sure if once you renounce guys you can resign them (a) if at all and (b) even in that case, to anything more than the minimum if you're over the cap. And wouldn't the team also get the under the cap mini MLE too?

forgot about the raises (for some reason I assumed they'd all be on base contracts, that pays the same salary every year) We both forgot about Hamilton who is a team option for less than $900,000 (a cheap way to fill out the roster) and Birdman Anderson. That would put it up to 10 roster spots. They renounce all 4 vets and still resign them but for the vet min (which probably isn't that big of a deal, save for Haslem)

So they could have about $11.7 million to fill out the roster, that's still not very much considering. I've been hearing about Lowry and Gasol but getting both seems a bit of a pipe dream and wouldn't address their big man situation (the most glaring need).

Lowry is probably worth at least $10 million per season, he was the best PG in that conference and probably the 5th or 6th best PG in the NBA last season. There was a report that he was to be signed and traded for picks and Cole but that wasn't true. He has been under payed for several seasons and is 28 so i'm not entirely sure he'd take less than market value to play there.

Bosh, Gasol, Anderson, Lewis and Haslem isn't a particularly great rotation given Gasol's age and defensive issues along with his tendency to miss chunks of seasons with injuries.

They are unable to use the MLE because they dropped far below the cap. If all 3 had opted in, then they would have been able to use the full MLE and B.A.E (i'm not as sure about that one). Haslem would have still needed to opt out.

[benefactor]

This makes no sense. in 2013 Lebron made 34 million in endorsements and climbing. He doesnt need the max. Lebron wants to be considered the best player ever, which he isnt, and will pay for that le by taking less money. He knows the only way he will get in the GOAT talk is rings, but doesnt realize that any intelligent fan of the game will insist the GOATs will have beaten the best, not bandwagoned with the best.

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[FireMicoHalili]

Haslem is useless. Duncan had him for breakfast, lunch and dinner in the finals. Can talk all you want about experience and locker room presence but guy has nothing left in the tank. All the guy does is look tough. I hope Miami 's offseason plan falls to pieces.

[cd021]

I don't know why SpursTalk isn't more terrified of this news, tbh. We know that LeBron wants a max contract. But Wade, Bosh, and Haslem are all almost certainly going to take pay cuts. The Heat will have cap space to sign a 2nd-tier free agent--like Kyle Lowry, who is an all-star PG (the Heat's weakest position).

Could the Spurs really beat a Heat Big 4 in next year's Finals with a fatigued Manu Ginobili?

If its a round 3 next year I'd probably still favor the Spurs. Even if they wind up with Pau and Lowry to go alongside the big 3 in the starting lineup. The Spurs could stay with their normal starting unit. Miami would probably have to change up some of their defensive schemes as well with him in the rotation.

They have been one of the worst boarding teams over the Heatles tenure, that would probably still be a big issue as well.

[cd021]

Haslem is useless. Duncan had him for breakfast, lunch and dinner in the finals. Can talk all you want about experience and locker room presence but guy has nothing left in the tank. All the guy does is look tough. I hope Miami 's offseason plan falls to pieces.

He probably looking at a multi-year deal to finish out his career in Miami. He has fallen off a cliff production wise in a short amount of time. But he did them a favor so they will take care of him.

[Darkwaters]

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[FireMicoHalili]

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D a m n

[cd021]

Brussard said that Bosh is looking for a 5 year deal worth 15 or 16 million per ($75-$80 million). I'm assuming thats has an ETO and an opt out

They also could go after Gortat but Washington, they will head to Poland to attempt to re up him on 7/1.

[tholdren]

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Let's bump this when lebron signs for the max

[ElNono]

I'm not sold they're bringing back Haslem, Rashard or even Ray... I think the focus now is to bring back Lebron. Wade has a history with the franchise so I suspect as long as Lebron re-signs, they'll find a way to accommodate him.

After that, they regain the leverage to attract good talent on the cheap. If Bosh plays hard-to-get, I suspect they might look elsewhere. Maybe try to sell Melo or Love on "the new big 3". Guys that never won and might be more keen in leaving some money on the table to chase a ring.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not sold they're bringing back Haslem, Rashard or even Ray... I think the focus now is to bring back Lebron. Wade has a history with the franchise so I suspect as long as Lebron re-signs, they'll find a way to accommodate him.

After that, they regain the leverage to attract good talent on the cheap. If Bosh plays hard-to-get, I suspect they might look elsewhere. Maybe try to sell Melo or Love on "the new big 3". Guys that never won and might be more keen in leaving some money on the table to chase a ring.

After Love's last contract negotiations, I dont' see his taking less. Melo? Probably not if James is making that much more than him.

[Baam]

Melo on the Heat would really suck tbh... He's an even better low post player than Lebron, they'd have mismatches at will...

[T Park]

Heat will end up with Pau Gasol.

Boy, you thought the defense wasn't great before....

[T Park]

Melo on the Heat would really suck tbh... He's an even better low post player than Lebron, they'd have mismatches at will...

Their defense would also crater even worse....

[ElNono]

After Love's last contract negotiations, I dont' see his taking less. Melo? Probably not if James is making that much more than him.

I hear you. That said, I think Pat is amongst the best in the business doing the Jedi mind trick, so if there's a guy that can pull it off, that's him.

[cd021]

I'm not sold they're bringing back Haslem, Rashard or even Ray... I think the focus now is to bring back Lebron. Wade has a history with the franchise so I suspect as long as Lebron re-signs, they'll find a way to accommodate him.

After that, they regain the leverage to attract good talent on the cheap. If Bosh plays hard-to-get, I suspect they might look elsewhere. Maybe try to sell Melo or Love on "the new big 3". Guys that never won and might be more keen in leaving some money on the table to chase a ring.

I'm pretty sure all 3 will return. They need cheap players to offset the big contracts and all the 3 would cost something like $4.2 (depending on how much Haslem deal would be worth)

Bosh is apparently looking for a 5 year $75-80 million dollar deal (probably has an opt out after 2 or 3 years) that likely means Wade is getting a similar deal. They would have to trade for Love and they only have Cole as a trade chip. They would have a gaping hole in the paint with out Bosh, he is a above average defender who is second only to Lebron on that team in defense.

Signing Melo means they need a true center, I've heard Gortat but he'd probably make more playing in Washington and he probably isn't going to anchor a top 10 defense with Wade Allen and Melo playing big minutes.

[ElNono]

Boy, you thought the defense wasn't great before....

He would be an upgrade over Haslem, just on length alone. I'm also not ready yet to call Pau done without watching him play on a new team. I think he was extremely unmotivated playing in a lottery team.

[ChumpDumper]

I hear you. That said, I think Pat is amongst the best in the business doing the Jedi mind trick, so if there's a guy that can pull it off, that's him.

Who has he really done that with?

The big three just agreed to what they were going to take among themselves, so I don't know any examples of his negotiating brilliance. Also, I don't pay much attention.

[ElNono]

I'm pretty sure all 3 will return. They need cheap players to offset the big contracts and all the 3 would cost something like $4.2 (depending on how much Haslem deal would be worth)

Bosh is apparently looking for a 5 year $75-80 million dollar deal (probably has an opt out after 2 or 3 years) that likely means Wade is getting a similar deal. They would have to trade for Love and they only have Cole as a trade chip. They would have a gaping hole in the paint with out Bosh, he is a above average defender who is second only to Lebron on that team in defense.

Signing Melo means they need a true center, I've heard Gortat but he'd probably make more playing in Washington and he probably isn't going to anchor a top 10 defense with Wade Allen and Melo playing big minutes.

I just think that if they manage to get all 3 guys back, then they're back in the driver's seat for free agents and vets that might want to take a paycut and coattail for a ring.

After getting destroyed in the Finals, I think they'll take their time and a harder look at what the pieces surrounding the big 3 need to be, especially being able to provide minutes to rest players.

[ElNono]

Who has he really done that with?

The big three just agreed to what they were going to take among themselves, so I don't know any examples of his negotiating brilliance. Also, I don't pay much attention.

Well, he did pull it off with the big three. I mean, Lebron could've told them to go play in Cleveland. I think Pat and Arison sold them a better image of the future.

I also thought he did a great job surrounding them with the talent they needed. I know it's easy to dog on them now that they're down, but 4 NBA Finals in a row is nothing to sneeze at, and they have had key players contribute.

[Ron Swanson]

I'll never be upset or "terrified" or disappointed after this championship. I can't see anything ever topping it tbh.

Damn straight.

[letmk]

I don't worry about the Heat particularly. Either the Spurs are not good enough to come out of the West, or if they do, all the cylinders must be clicking together and the aging Heat cannot compete with the fluent offense.

[spursparker9]

Durant, Westbrook, Reggie Jackson and Ibaka still a bigger nightmare for the Spurs than Miami, tbh.