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More likely that Splitter would be the backup C, so replace Baynes with Splitter at 6'11" and you got it.
I don't see us using the MLE, but also don't see us going into season without any open rosterspots (or at least go out there askig certain guys if the MLE would do it).
Tiago/Aaron/Ayers
Timmy/Boris/Bonner/Daye
Kawhi/Belinelli/Anderson
Danny/Patty
Tony/Manu/CoJo
...doesn't leave us any room, so I'd think either Bonner or Daye (maybe both) are gone.
BTW, how is the situation regarding the Torros? Can Daye and Banes still play there?
More likely that Splitter would be the backup C, so replace Baynes with Splitter at 6'11" and you got it.
Daye is in the same situation as Anderson, they both land on a team that will highlight their best attributes. Daye will be '15 Patty Mills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iio4wlDD_5s
Bonner is surprisingly mobile, you know.. for being Bonner. Ibaka would just blow past Daye/Diaw on any given moment. Matt is also useful against teams who try to pack the paint, a la teams like Memphis or the '13 Lakers. Not only is he quick and can make threes, but his off-the dribble game isn't all too bad considering how consistent his floater is. Bonner, for being a scrub, is actually quite useful given some match-ups.
That's why I feel Spurs need a somewhat quick stretch-forward if they're letting Bonner go. Daye can stretch the floor, but he's not quick. Bertans would be ideal if he could bulk up a tiny bit.
There are more than just those two (WCF and nba finals opponents btw) that lack a credible PF post threat. Any PFs on last years Lakers with monster post skills (Pau is a Center)? Also that game against the Sixers you reference shows the benefit of having Daye out there -- he nailed 6 wide open threes because the slower PF couldn't recover to him. Its a game of match ups and trade offs, and the spurs won that one.
I agree with you that Daye isn't for every game and that match ups would dictate playing time. Baynes is the best example of that. Daye would also be situational, etc.
My point is that that defensive liability argument against keeping Daye is overblown. Their are less and less Zach Randolphs and Tim Duncans in the league, and more and more Ibakas and Boshs that do their offensive damage from 15ft. It's just the way the league is heading.
There is plenty to pick on, but you chose poorly. You can dislike him, but your assessment of his shooting while here in SA is borderline misinformation, not opinion. He shot .414 from behind the arc in his 14 games and 115 minutes here. The last 14 minutes he was coming off a pulled muscle in his back and Strep Throat. You can't ask much more from him. He had little opportunity, coming in late in the season, missing all but 1 Toros game, no training camp, and being at the end of the bench. There is no reason to believe that in this system, like Marco, and others, he could not continue to excel in that role. He will get wide open looks and he won't get them blocked.
His second game here, vs the Heat, he came in and nailed 2 of 2 three pointers.
He had a good game in the D-league on the one game he went down, 27 points and a versatile game. Not his best shooting night, but he shot 13/14 from the free throw line, 13 rebounds, etc.
He had a great game vs Denver 4/7 from the field, 3/4 from three, 2 rebounds, an assist. 11 points in 11 minutes.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../gamelog/2014/
Regarding his history, he's been in some situations. He might not thrive under better conditions, but he's not entirely at fault for Detroit, etc.
Expecting much more from a guy that played 114 minutes, and shot .414 from 3 is a little greedy and unreasonable considering he's the 14th guy on the bench.
Bonner used to guard Shaq/Howard I laugh at the thought of Austin every guarding Shaq/Howard. The dude would have his chest caved in and be broken in two pieces guarding those two players.
People on the site fall in love way to quickly with players who are scrubs just look back at all the post about - Harrington, Pops, White, etc....With the pick of Andeson - Slow Mo........I just don't see them keeping Austin another- Slow Mo player.
I just think the Spurs bank that $750k by cutting Daye. They have shooting covered in spades. It's not like they won't be able to try to sign him later in the season if they'd like to. If not, it' snot a massive loss.
I lol at people that say Mugsy Bogues can guard Lebron James. Mugsy would get crushed, huhhuh ha huh huh. Even though those fictional people are fictional, I still laugh - huh huh. And RC Pop is a dumb guy he pick a guy named slow. Huh huh. His name slow! He no can play.
I'm pretty sure Daye can guard Shaq. Shaq's in the booth, and can't shoot the 3. And, I challenge you to find any post where anyone has been suggesting that Daye guard Howard. Reggie Miller did not guard Shaq and Malone. Prince doesn't guard Howard. Where are you getting this stuff? Just a few posts back we were saying the exact same thing, that Daye might be able to fill Bonner's shooting role, but not his role as a defender against big bodies. Links please. Hang out here where fewer people say stupid like that. What have you been reading?
One game where he was allowed to play. What would you be saying if he'd missed those shots. Keep him on the roster and in the weight room.
It is hard to tell if the coaching staff believes in keeping Daye or not.
Daye used to play point guard and has shown that he knows when to make the pass. If anything, that's what's going to keep Daye in the team.
It's 6/30/2014 and we haven't heard yet from the Spurs... we'll know pretty soon whether Daye is history or not.
i think we're running short on roster spots, considering first round picks come with guaranteed deal. i dont see the appeal of keeping Daye at all... assuming we retain Boris and Patty (we have more than enough means to do so, tbh. we can easily go above the cap/below the tax threshold and keep them). the baynes QO tells me they're likely to keep him.
1) Tim
2) Tony
3) Kawhi
4) Manu
5) Splitter
6) Green
7) Diaw
8) Mills
9) Belinelli
10) Baynes
11) Joseph
12) Anderson
13) Ayres
14) Daye's spot
15) Bonner's spot
we will also have access to the full MLE if they choose to go that route (considering the slew of expiring deals after this coming season, they might as well use it)... they can and probably should keep bonner on a reduced number, somewhere near the minimum and use the MLE to upgrade Daye's spot. Bonner actually has a role carved out on our team situationally. i think we're the only team in the NBA where we have to nitpick about the 2 inactive roster spots (14 and 15)
Yes, and while we can disagree about Daye, we totally agree about the embarassment of riches. So comfortable with this roster we are. The only option I see of keeping Daye and a roster spot open is not exercising the team option on Cojo. He has a team option 2 million coming to him this year, he is solidly third in the PG rotation now if Patty stays. That's a pretty penny for the backup's backup. We have Parker, Patty, Manu, and as a fourth string point guard we have Kyle Anderson. Defensively he's not a good replacement for Cojo, but he could run the O in the minutes Cojo got - garbage time. That would leave us a roster spot open, save money, Daye would be spared the axe, and the well-liked Bryce Cotton might be able to be called up on 10-day contracts from the Toros in cases of injury to multiple point guards.i think we're running short on roster spots, considering first round picks come with guaranteed deal. i dont see the appeal of keeping Daye at all... assuming we retain Boris and Patty (we have more than enough means to do so, tbh. we can easily go above the cap/below the tax threshold and keep them). the baynes QO tells me they're likely to keep him.
1) Tim
2) Tony
3) Kawhi
4) Manu
5) Splitter
6) Green
7) Diaw
8) Mills
9) Belinelli
10) Baynes
11) Joseph
12) Anderson
13) Ayres
14) Daye's spot
15) Bonner's spot
we will also have access to the full MLE if they choose to go that route (considering the slew of expiring deals after this coming season, they might as well use it)... they can and probably should keep bonner on a reduced number, somewhere near the minimum and use the MLE to upgrade Daye's spot. Bonner actually has a role carved out on our team situationally. i think we're the only team in the NBA where we have to nitpick about the 2 inactive roster spots (14 and 15)
I know that Cojo is well-liked. I like him, too. Not suggesting we do this, but just floating the option out there. I could be misunderstanding the contract, also, but I think that is correct.
Nevermind the Cojo option for 2014-2015 was already exercised in October of 2013, I think. If Daye fills out that 15th spot it will sure tell us a lot about how they feel about him.
Only options left are trades, I guess.
Last edited by littlecoyotecoin; 06-30-2014 at 12:55 PM.
They had to decide on Cojos option for NEXT year before LAST year, and it was picked up and is guarateed.
Yes, thank you. I had gone back and edited that while you were reading, probably. Sorry.
An embarassment of riches.
I think nobody predicted that Anderson would fall all the way to the Spurs. Now that the Spurs have him, it is becoming a problem of who to cut to make room.
The Spurs typically would like to have 14 and 15 open for a veteran or d-league call up. If they keep everyone, the Spurs don't have that luxury.
If Anderson or Daye can show some competence at the PF slot then I would waive Ayres. Also Baynes has already taken Ayres space in the rotation. But why waive a player that's only making less than $2m a year?
Is Ayres 1.8 million this year not guaranteed?
yes... i meant getting rid of Ayres just to open up a slot. Yes, it is guaranteed.
Oh, ok. Well, they're not going to pay him to walk away, I'm sure. But, maybe we see a trade. Who knows.
So if Baynes isn't re-signed.... where can the Spurs find a replacement center? Who's available in Free Agency for around $1m? Any undrafted players that fit the bill?
Young is the only only worth a look that I can think of. He will play for the Pelicans in the SL.
Spurs really need a backup center. Duncan needs to sit out the entire regular season. Splitter is injury prone and shouldn't play more than 20 minutes a game.
Ayres and Bonner are just too small to play center... unless the Spurs don't care anymore about winning in the regular season.
Maybe that's just it, the Spurs should just conceed the regular season and develop their younger players. Home court advantage doesn't seem to be that valuable after the Spurs blew out the Heat in two away games.
Baynes. If I am not mistaken he did an awesome job against the Blazer and OKC when he played.
If they needed another big in free agency. I imagine Spurs would target Kevin Seraphin.
This. Somebody just has to teach him how to not hurt other Spurs' players in practice. I always want Baynes on the court when other guy's thugs were around.
We didn't need him against Miami because of Miami, not because of Baynes.
With Dallas getting Tyson Chandler back, I really really hope we hang on to Baynes.
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