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^That is an athlete.
^That is an athlete.
if you where honest you 'll note that i had just copy/paste the foul of the post that i quoted and just let the foul to make the repe ion, i do enough mistake like that don't.
and may i suggest you to open a little bit your mind to the rest of the world, i promise it will not hurt. soccer may suck not football
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It is hard to say. Manu did great at both leves (national and club) while Messi only did good in Barza. But then, Manu in Argentina had a team, Messi never did. Manu in 2004 had a coach, Messi never had a coach in the NT. Manu is obvioulsy less talented basketball-wise, than Messi is football-wise (even if you hate football go watch his highlights and you will admit he got skills). Manu is much more compe ive, Messi is one lazy mother er (at least what we saw the last 6 months in Barcelona and in the WC). If Messi never achieves anything with Argentina I would say it's a tie.
Messi had a team in 2010 Aguero Veron Tevez Mascherano Higuain Di Maria Milito, Both are equally talented but dont blame Messi getting torched on 2010 because of bad coaching, people forgets HE NEVER SCORED A SINGLE GOAL in 2010 World Cup he played more than 1 game in that tournament.
He is younger but he´s losing some steps already so I would love to see this conversation in 10 years when he reachs his mid-late 30s.
All that HGH on his body because of his growth problems could be passing the bill right now.
Ginobili. Easily.
/thread, tbh
I do believe us Spurs fans are a tad bit biased!
This isn't even a question. Messi is top 5 all time and ginobili is a 6th man of the year. Soccer is a world sport and in 10 years there will be 4 major leagues that matter plus hockey.
Some posts come off as either sarcastic or idiotic questioning soccer athletes and the quality of compe ion. It is the most popular sport across the world and can be played by anyone with a ball. It is more accessible than almost any other sport.
Also this whole American athletes are superior is a little strange from Spurs fans who have an almost entirely international team. Don't get me wrong I bleed red,white and blue but I'm also aware that there are great athletes around the world.
I think they are just kidding you.
The whole time kids all over the USA, probably their kids, are out playing soccer, among other sports of course.
Per Argentinians peapole Messi is not Argentinian!
Depends how we're interpreting the question. If you mean 'athlete' in the most literal sense, then I'd say Ginobili, as he's in better shape and basketball is a far more demanding game physically. If you mean it more generally, I'd say Messi is better at football than Ginobili is at basketball. If I were an Argentine, I'd consider Messi the country's greatest sportsman, with Ginobili second. That's no slight on Ginobili, either - Messi is one of the greatest footballer players of all-time.
I believe there is a pretty nice comparison regarding Germany:
Germany may be one of the top 3 football crazy countries (England, Brazil, ???) but Dirk Nowitzki really gets what he deserves here, winning sports guy of the year and so on. Manu may not have won MVP/FinalsMVP but WorldCup+Olympics are even bigger.
Long story short: It's gotta be Manu, but its close and if Messi wins the world cup (sounds stupid but other than Di Maria its only Messi at the moment) he is #1 easily.
I said a team, not just players around him (lol granpa Veron). And you are one of the millions of morons that just criticize Messi in 2010 because he didn't score. Did you watch any Argentina game in 2010? Against Nigeria and South Korea he had amazing games. Against Germany he sucked.
The thing with Ginobili is that he did things that no Argentine would ever thought would be possible. Winning the gold medal in 2004 was not even a possibility before the year 2000. Then becoming an NBA player and be so dominant (well, you know what I mean) for so many years. In a sport that 1% of the population care. I bet we will see another argentine Messi before we see another Argentine Ginobili, and that says a lot given the fact that many people consider Messi at least among the best 5 of all time (Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Distefano, Messi).
Obviously they are better than each other in their respective sports, but "better athlete?". I'd take prime Manu over prime Messi any day of the week. Put it this way, if you put them to compete in other sports who would you put your money on?
I wasnt trying to make him look as a stupid because he didnt score I was just pointing a fact, if someone wants to put him in a pedestal as a perfect god I cant scape from that event this is just my view about the better athlete since my desire is to see my country winning the world cup to shut that lame Maradonga´s ass mouth.
Suremy bad. Just irked me when I saw it
Manu.. I could give 2 's about "soccer".
Good post.
I'm talking about compe ion among players. But now that you ask, of course there's much more compe ion team-wise in football. You have the USA winning almost every single Olympic basketball tournament. But also you have the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia or Spain being extremely dominating in the rest of the world for long stretches, which has never happened in football.
Football is the top sport in most countries around the world. Basketball is the top sport in Lithuania and... Philippines? Not sure if anywhere else.
Those are summer tournaments played each four years. So Tim Duncan not winning the Olympic Gold makes him worse than Ginobili?
Please...
I agree USA probably creates better athletes than any other country, but hardly better than the rest of the world combined.
It's hard to compare since there's not one single sport really popular both in the USA and any other really big country with some sport tradition.
But there's one issue most people don't take into account: basketball physical requirements (particularly size) makes the compe ion much more narrow. The number of potential elite football players is incomparable larger than those for basketball.
By the way, I'm understanding the thread question as the best player and not literally the best athlete.
Compe ion among players, among teams is just the same thing, a team is made of players.
Is the top sport but only 8 out of 200 countries are good playing it, Argentina already won 2 world cups even if Messi wins right now (which I hope) he wont be doing something groundbreaking, Manu made history in Athens 2004 leading NT and beating USA that was never done before in Argieland, we already have lots of futbol players here so Manu did something different and won in Italy USA and his NT.
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