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damn how proffesional is it to misspell professional?
at everyone for jumping on Vashner.
That game is ridiculous. It's a total scam. It's like shooting free throws and having an employee behind you trying to block the ball. It's like entering an amateur boxing compe ion and then watching a "house" boxer of Mike Tyson step into the ring. It's unfair unless clearly stated that you are competing against the employee and everyone else in advance.
I got your back Vash!
damn how proffesional is it to misspell professional?
was this whole deal illegal? no.
was it a scam? yes.
businesses are what they are, if they need a scam in order to make money then you know the true integrity of said business.
guess this means i am cutting up my D&B card now.
It was a game of "Who is tallest and has the longest ?" contest.
Man when do they have this compe ion going on, i am the master at the basketball shooting game, i have a perfect technique ive been winning prizes from everywhere with that freaking game....i shall win it and take a picture of me getting the prize and post it on here
What a hilarious thread. The reading comprehension of some posters in here is scary. Vashner you are right...throwing an employee ringer in without disclosing it is unethical. It's not illegal but it still sucks.
whats even funnier is that this thread is 4 pages long and no one has commented yet about the irony of giving a Tim Duncan jersey as the prize for what is essentially a free throw contest. Thats like giving a Steve Kerr throwback as the prize for a slam dunk compe ion...
Surprize, contestants! You'll be competing against Dave & Buster's employee of the week Chuck Person!
Ha ha ha ha i can take him.....free throws are the easiest shots in the world...i have a flawless technique i shall claim this Jersey in the name of SpursTalk and all my fallen homies who couldnt beat the employee before me.
yo Vdawg, AHF said it best, go to the court and work on your jumper. don't ever let a situation own you. you control your own destiny. go practice and go get your effin jersey and tell the 'suprise employee' to kiss your ass.
well, i have to say that businesses are in existence to make money.
it is definitely bad ethics, but more people will come back and spend cash trying to win that damn thing, thus more money, thus good business.
Let me explain my position and post in this thread.
Is it pretty shady and unethical? Yeah.
Is it illegal? I don't know.
Is Vashner fast approaching Clandestino status and I find it a little funny when they gets on? Yeah.
Last edited by Johnny_Blaze_47; 08-23-2005 at 01:20 PM.
[QUOTE=Das Texan]was this whole deal illegal? no.
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Don't be so sure about that. A common misconception is that just because something is stated in fineprint or written into a contract, it is legal. That is not always the case. For example, if you defraud someone who signs a binding agreement to be defrauded, it is still illegal to defraud someone. Thus, one cannot make a valid contract out of an illegal agreement.
This prize game may very well be legal, but it would be interesting to see it ruled on. Egregious immoral terpritude and unethical behavior can be grounds for a rejection of the agreement. Sometimes the judge has a large discretion on this.
A major detail for the legality of this contest is probably the venue it take place since Dave and Busters is known for the types of games where you have to play $50 to win a $7 prize. Thus, contestants should have been aware it wouldn't have been as easy to win.
All depends on the cir stances, every case fact pattern is unique. I would conclude it probably is legal because Dave and Busters has lawyers write the agreements, but I wouldn't be as sure as some of you.
Harvey Levin would know.
PS Big Zack, Vashner is physically disabled
sorry to hear that. he can't physically make a basket in the hoop? that's sucks if true, and you are in my prayers brother.
If this game is a scam, then it sounds like entering the lottery is a scam aswell.
Also how did the exact rules go?
Was it people taking turns against the employee or what? It seems kind of hard to play 1 on 1 with 15 people.
Like someone pointed out....the lottery is not a game of skill. Unless you are so uncoordinated that you have difficulty using a penny to scratch of the surface of the ticket.
It's also not a game of common sense, either.
No one won the jersey and you don't see people regularly winning the lottery. So the lottery must be a scam right?
You also don't see Lottery officials winning the Lottery.
As far as I know the employee didn't win anything either -- he was basically a tool part of the contest itself. If the particpants didn't know the exact rules of the game, then they should have asked. It was bad on the company's behalf to just declare that there is a contest without any official rules or notices. And besides what kind of basketball could you play with 16 people at once?
They should have ASKED?If the particpants didn't know the exact rules of the game, then they should have asked.
Who would ask if a D&B Employee/Sharpshooter would make a surprise appearance and that it was possible that nobody who paid to enter would win? Who thinks to ask that? No one.
Hindsight is 20/20. The company is obligated to disclose all rules of entry into a paid contest.
I thought the game was a scam? Yeah, it is bad that D&F or whatever it's called didn't supply the terms/rules of the contest but, everybody here is calling it scam/scammish/scammy game, which is not.
This is an example but, it's the same:
Win a million dollars if you beat our player 1 on 1. Entrance fee is 10$
is that a scam? For all we know that employee could come out or Micheal Jordan could come out? If you play and lose you can't call it a scam because you didn't know who you were playing against.
I'd just like to ask one question though. How did the contest begin, was this an ongoing process like everynight or did they just decide to announce this out of the blue that night and what was the main objective in it?
If the contest was described like that, that's perfectly fair.Win a million dollars if you beat our player 1 on 1.
From Vashner's account, that's not how it was presented.
The bold print is all the information given. After reading that without any more info it's hard to decide what this really is. They announce a compe ion to win a Tim Duncan jersey, then what......... I need more info, what kind of compe ion what are the objectives, what's the main goal? etc...
The rest was described later in the thread. And pretty much everyone arguing on his side has prefaced their argument with "If the Employee's Involvement Was Not Disclosed..."
The thing I'm saying the employee wasn't an actual participant, he was the challenge.........I read all 4 pages and what I've gotten so far is that:
Some sort of basketball challenge consisting of 15 people
Winner out of 15 gets a jersey
The main challenge is you have to beat someone at whatever they're playing
The person is not introduced until the start of the game
The person you're playing against doesn't win anything
That does not sound like a scam to me........
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