Police chokehold on man ruled a homicide

[ohmwrecker]

how can you say he was choked to death from the hold if he was speaking after the choke hold was released?

Not saying you're wrong, but I can't find anything that validates that claim.

[SnakeBoy]

Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo, 29, was suspended in mid-July following the death of Eric Garner. He issued a statement Wednesday after it was announced that a Staten Island grand jury has declined to indict the officer.

“I became a police officer to help people and to protect those who can’t protect themselves,” Pantaleo said in the statement. “It is never my intention to harm anyone and I feel very bad about the death of Mr. Garner. My family and I include him and his family in our prayers and I hope that they will accept my personal condolences for their loss.”

Gardner clearly wasn't "choked to death" but I find this cops statement ish enough to say that cop.

[spurraider21]

Not saying you're wrong, but I can't find anything that validates that claim.

jump to 1 minute mark. clearly, the officer in the green 99 shirt is the one administering the choke hold. once they roll him over to his stomach soon after, you can see the Green 99 guy releases the choke. after that point you can still hear him speaking saying "i can't breathe."



again, as i've stated, the cop should surely be disciplined for using a hold that is not allowed per NYPD standards.

from my limited understanding, isn't it protocol to put somebody on the ground and cuff him if they are resisting arrest?

[Creepn]

how can you say he was choked to death from the hold if he was speaking after the choke hold was released?

So if I choked a man that sets off a chain of events within his body that fatally kills him seconds later, even if he says "I can't breathe!" due to the fact that he got choked, I shouldn't be held accountable?

Seriously brah? Damn that white logic is deadly.

[spurraider21]

So if I choked a man that sets off a chain of events within his body that fatally kills him seconds later, even if he says "I can't breathe!" due to the fact that he got choked, I shouldn't be held accountable?

Seriously brah? Damn that white logic is deadly.

didnt say the police action didn't lead to his death. i'm saying the "killer choke hold" thing is being blown out of proportion.

[Trill Clinton]

how can you say he was choked to death from the hold if he was speaking after the choke hold was released?

The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," the medical examiner's office has said. The New York City Police Department prohibits chokeholds. The death was ruled a homicide.

[ChumpDumper]

didnt say the police action didn't lead to his death. i'm saying the "killer choke hold" thing is being blown out of proportion.

Well, it compressed his neck.

That seems bad.

[spurraider21]

The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," the medical examiner's office has said. The New York City Police Department prohibits chokeholds. The death was ruled a homicide.

i'm glad you chose to bold the first half of the statement and not the second half, which is illustrated in the video after the chokehold was released

[spurraider21]

Well, it compressed his neck.

That seems bad.

of course its bad. i didn't suggest the choke was good for his health. i think its physically impossible to choke somebody without compressing their neck.

[SnakeBoy]

So if I choked a man that sets off a chain of events within his body that fatally kills him seconds later, even if he says "I can't breathe!" due to the fact that he got choked, I shouldn't be held accountable?

The officer can't be held responsible for Garners underlying medical issues. The issue to me isn't the headlock/chokehold, it's not clear to me in the video if it was a chokehold or headlock. Instead it is that the cops escalated the situation without cause and then failed to render basic medical care they are trained in that could have saved his life and instead let him lie there until EMT's showed up. I don't know what laws exist that they could be prosecuted with but they should have some accountability for those two things.

[ChumpDumper]

of course its bad. i didn't suggest the choke was good for his health. i think its physically impossible to choke somebody without compressing their neck.

Well, there you go.

[Creepn]

didnt say the police action didn't lead to his death. i'm saying the "killer choke hold" thing is being blown out of proportion.

Wow.

Bet that's the mindset of the jury that let this man go.

[spurraider21]

The officer can't be held responsible for Garners underlying medical issues. The issue to me isn't the headlock/chokehold, it's not clear to me in the video if it was a chokehold or headlock. Instead it is that the cops escalated the situation without cause and then failed to render basic medical care they are trained in that could have saved his life and instead let him lie there until EMT's showed up. I don't know what laws exist that they could be prosecuted with but they should have some accountability for those two things.

i've asked several times in this thread what police protocol is in response to the resist of arrest. from my understanding, you take somebody to the ground (face down so that you can administer handcuffs). am i incorrect?

[spurraider21]

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Wow.

Bet that's the mindset of the jury that let this man go.

i'm betting they watched the video and saw he was alive after the choke was executed and released

[spurraider21]

Well, there you go.

was he alive after the choke hold was released?

[Creepn]

was he alive after the choke hold was released?

Do people always die instantly after getting shot?

[Trill Clinton]

and when was he talking???

dude didn't even get medical attention until he got to the hospital

[ChumpDumper]

was he alive after the choke hold was released?

Is he alive now?

. Why is there even a grand jury?

Hey everyone -- you can stop now. Dude never dieded.

[Trill Clinton]

he laide there unresponsive after being choked to death and died at the hospital. again, when was he speaking after the choke???

[spurraider21]

Do people always die instantly after getting shot?

Is he alive now?

. Why is there even a grand jury?

Hey everyone -- you can stop now. Dude never dieded.

if they had the choke hold, released it, left him alone, and then he died, i'd be 100% with you.

if there is an intervening cause, it changes the picture. as the coroner noted, the compression of his chest along with the prone positioning was a cause of death. this is not related to the choke hold

[spurraider21]

and when was he talking???

dude didn't even get medical attention until he got to the hospital

sometime in between the choke and when this video started. look at the posted video on page 3 doggie

[Trill Clinton]

somewhere, give me a timestamp.

[spurraider21]

why is nobody answering my question on police protocol in response to resisted arrest?

[spurraider21]

somewhere, give me a timestamp.

read what i posted instead of asking so many questions...

jump to 1 minute mark. clearly, the officer in the green 99 shirt is the one administering the choke hold. once they roll him over to his stomach soon after, you can see the Green 99 guy releases the choke. after that point you can still hear him speaking saying "i can't breathe."



again, as i've stated, the cop should surely be disciplined for using a hold that is not allowed per NYPD standards.

from my limited understanding, isn't it protocol to put somebody on the ground and cuff him if they are resisting arrest?

[Trill Clinton]

cuz its a dumb ass question