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    I'm glad everybody "supports" my "non-supporting" signature.


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    Perhaps Bucher is just going to point out that Walker and Williams are unlikely to mesh well with Shaq's game and that they would also take away touches from Finley...

    MB, likely true...plus, he should try to remind that the Heat lost a very productive ingredient in Eddie Jones. He and Shaq were a good +/- duo, with Eddie's two-way abilities making a nice impact on the team's point differential when he was on the floor.

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    Perhaps Bucher is just going to point out that Walker and Williams are unlikely to mesh well with Shaq's game and that they would also take away touches from Finley...
    Yes, it's probably playing time/touches related. When Finley was first speculated (at the beginning of free agency) as possibly going to Miami, a lot of people thought he might start. But they have Posey and Walker who play the 3 as well, so he might not be assured of a lot playing time in Miami. I guess he just has to weigh all the factors -- playing time, money, championships, beaches , etc.

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    Sounds like his decision is more difficult that first imagined. Given all the variables, PHX could virtually assure him a starting spot. I'm sure the financial aspects are important to Finley. Despite seemingly running low on cash, PHX could offer up the 6 mil exception from the JJ trade with ATL.

    A side note, Real GM reports PHX could be going after IND's James Jones. Probably a contingency in case Finley turns them down.

    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...d_james_jones/

    The Suns also are considering a sign-and-trade deal for Indiana swingman James Jones, but Joe Johnson's physical must be completed in Atlanta before the Suns' $6 million trade exception can be used.

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    I don't think the Suns can use that trade exception straight up on Finley since they aren't trading for him. Don't know if Finley could sign with some other team who has cap space and then the Suns do a S&T for him.

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    I don't think the Suns can use that trade exception straight up on Finley since they aren't trading for him.
    You're right.
    Don't know if Finley could sign with some other team who has cap space and then the Suns do a S&T for him.
    That can't be done for a free agent whose rights are owned by no team.

    Finley can only be signed outright as an unrestricted free agent.

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    Finley can only be signed outright as an unrestricted free agent.
    So you are saying if he signs with say NO he can't be traded by NO?

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    So you are saying if he signs with say NO he can't be traded by NO?
    Yes, not for 90 days or until December 15, whichever is later.

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    All SA needs to do is offer him Bowen's starting spot. He will get to start and make more than if he went to PHX. He also will get the satisfaction of "taking" Bowens spot. I love Bowen, but if it will make the team better, then Im all for having him come off the bench. Besides, he is getting up there. What, is he 34 now?

    I know I will get a lot of slack for saying that, but I think it will make the Spurs better.

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    All SA needs to do is offer him Bowen's starting spot.
    This will never happen.

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    This will never happen.
    They should though.

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    They should though.
    And if we weren't as good with Finley starting? What then?

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    Finley is 32 - not that much younger than Bowen who is 34 and probably in better shape than almost anyone in the league. Finley's slower. Has reoccuring hamstring problems. Is coming off ankle surgery. And can't defend.

    He's a bench player who can come in a hit some shots for the Spurs, but he's not a starter for them.

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    I love Bowen, but if it will make the team better, then Im all for having him come off the bench.
    It won't.

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    All SA needs to do is offer him Bowen's starting spot.

    I know I will get a lot of slack for saying that, but I think it will make the Spurs better.
    You might get more flak than slack.

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    And if we weren't as good with Finley starting? What then?
    Then move him to the bench. Finley has proven he can get it done in his career. Even though he had an "off year" last year, if he can put up similar numbers in SA, that will be huge. And if it doesnt work you can move him to thr bench.

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    You might get more flak than slack.
    Thank you. Thats what I meant! I was close! I knew it sounded like "ack" LOL.

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    Why not?
    Because our perimeter defense will go from great to below average just like that. All of a sudden, Duncan will be in foul trouble more often.

    Plus, given that his strength is guarding the opponent's best perimeter player, Bowen off the bench would be useless. You might as well put him on IR.

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    Because our perimeter defense will go from great to below average just like that. All of a sudden, Duncan will be in foul trouble more often.

    Plus, given that his strength is guarding the opponent's best perimeter player, Bowen off the bench would be useless. You might as well put him on IR.
    Wow! I dont think it would be that drastic. They can sub in Bowen whenever they want to. I think it would work. Manu can gaurd their top player until Bowen comes in the game. They could use a lot of different lineups on the floor to match the other team.

    Besides, if Barry and Big Dogg can learn to play a lil D, then so can Fin.

    If the Spurs D is so dependent on Bowen, what will they do in a few years when he is done???

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    If the Spurs D is so dependent on Bowen, what will they do in a few years when he is done???
    That's why so much discussion here revolves around finding a defensive specialist to groom as Bowen's eventual replacement.

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    If the Spurs D is so dependent on Bowen, what will they do in a few years when he is done???
    Hopefully get another perimeter defender who is good. That's why everyone thinks they need to get a young, defensive minded SF now to groom. The Spurs defense starts with Bowen. Bowen's job is to guard the best perimeter opponent. Those players start, thus Bowen starts. If Bowen's out of the starting lineup, things won't look pretty for the Spurs.

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    Bowen can still get his minutes. I am not saying he wont play. I am just saying that they should offer Fin his starting spot. You can still bring him off the bench and have him gaurd the other teams top player. SA D wont go from great to crappy just by moving Bowen to the bench.

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    Bowen can still get his minutes. I am not saying he wont play. I am just saying that they should offer Fin his starting spot. You can still bring him off the bench and have him gaurd the other teams top player.
    What would be the point of playing Bowen against reserves? Bowen needs to play against starters -- those are the good players that you need to lock down.

    SA D wont go from great to crappy just by moving Bowen to the bench.
    Go check the Spurs record 3 1/2+ years ago when Bowen missed 23 games (the last time he missed any games). Or just ask Pop, Tim Duncan and David Robinson what it was like to not have Bowen during that timeframe. They all remember it.

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    Maybe not totally crappy, but think about it... Bowen and Duncan are at their defensive best when they are on the floor together. Bowen can overplay his man because he has Duncan behind him to block shots. And Duncan doesn't have to leave his man as often to protect the basket.

    They'd still have minutes together, sure, but even 10 minutes less per game could make a big difference.

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