I need proof. Post a video doing jumping jacks.
yes, please.
Still whoring herself out to the trolls -
smh
I had a cop get right in my face one time. Why? Because I stopped a fight between this asshole redneck and a small filipino girl who was a cousin of a good friend of mine. Dude popped off something racist and she went at him. He even said he'd lay her out. I got in between then to prevent any from hitting the fan, and as a response I got grilled by the police officer for being involved. that. I could have dropped him if I wanted to end the situation but I knew the cops had already been called. Most cops have been decent bros when I met them or got pulled over but that job has a habit of attractive serious asshats to the profession.Never had any problems with police. Even when I've been in the wrong they've been polite and professional. The worst that has happened is being stopped for traffic things a couple of times and they offer not to ticket me if I meet them for lunch or "coffee". I politely refused and they let me go without a ticket anyway
Actually, yes really.
As a country we have very different views of what police are to be used for.
This is a very FUNDAMENTAL question.
Of course one thinks about how to interact with them.
Different situations, people react differently to what some DO NOT deem an authority figure.
They are supposed to diffuse situations?, not exacerbate them? Include your own view... Sorry, but this is a very different way of viewing Peace Officers, or Officers of the Law, or whatever.
We have all had some interaction with police and some of us have had VERY different experiences thus reactions. This reminds me of the public education system. It is not clearly stated what the roles of public schools are. Some act as surrogate families, some act as holding pens for young males, some prepare kids for college... On and on.
No. Not really at all. You are having a different debate than the rest of us are. I'm not saying that the issues you're talking about aren't worthy of discussion. They just don't apply to this case. The philosophical functions of police have little bearing on the fact that they carry guns, are trained to use them, and will almost always been seen favorably in the eyes of the law. You can think of them as gods among men, or as riffraff with guns. But guns are guns, and dead is dead.
It doesn't matter if Brown had some really good arguments as to why he shouldn't have been detained by the police officer. It doesn't change the fact that he's dead now because he resisted arrest. He doesn't get to come back because we end up not only finding the officer to be at fault but also completely redefine the roles of police officers in society. He's gone for good when he didn't have to be.
That's why the first step toward preventing things like this is to tell people to STOP RESISTING THE POLICE. Then tell them to record their interactions with officers (which is perfectly legal, as far as I understand). When that gets established, then you can tell people to remind the officers of their rights, while continuing to comply with the officers orders. Then people have a means to push back against police brutality while also not putting themselves in a position to get themselves killed.
Had Brown done that instead of breaking restraint, his case may well have been one in a class-action lawsuit by the people of Ferguson against their police department. He could have been around to give testimony about a police officer illegally detaining him. There wouldn't be riots in the streets, but there would still be significant political pressure to investigate the police department. That's how change SHOULD work in a civilized society, not through slogans and looting. Not to mention that by resisting arrest, Brown put his case into a gray area where the officer illegally detaining him will be completely overlooked because he may end up beating murder charges.
The above is why we see such a diversity of opinions.
Which is what I was referring to.
And is indeed pertinent to how people react to police imo. If there is a diversity of of roles and methods the police use, there will be a diversity of opinions on how to interact with them. I continue to feel this is obvious.
Except in extreme cases, it is NEVER a good idea to get into a physical confrontation with an armed police officer. That's what's obvious to me. You're still talking about the role police play in society, their legal powers and thus a civilian's rights to object to them. But that's not a debate to have while you're being arrested. It's a debate to have afterwards in court. As soon as you try to resist arrest, you open up a can of worms that can well end with you dead. And once you're dead, right and wrong no longer matter.
chinook with a truth carpetbomb
You are completely off -
The Penal Code of whichever state you are in is the ONLY way to deal with police officers and IGNORANCE of the law is not a valid excuse.
It doesn't matter what your OPINION is of how to deal with cops -
The only thing that does matter is the law and the police are doing their job according to the law.
If a cop approaches you and initiates a legal and lawful inquiry - you are in no position - to play semantics and voice your opinion of how things are going to go. It is the officer who is running that show.
It can be a very simple and respectful and courteous conversation without incident -
Or
It can be a deadly situation - if you decide to use it as an opportunity to reveal your ignorance of the law.
When I get approached and a cop questions me - I just allow the cop to do his job and I have never ever had an interview turn into something bad because I allowed him to do his job - and then when he was done - life went on - and no one was hurt.
You and the public seem to think that this is somehow up for debate and all you are going to accomplish is that some weak politicians are going to play along to get your vote and then the criminals in the world are going to be the real winners. You will completely get the cops to tie their hands behind their backs (more than they already are) and the day your loved one gets ed - you will regret the day when you helped the criminal that hurt your family -
by making the criminal more powerful than the people you hope will be there to protect you.
Then you will be crying that the cops did not want to do their jobs - even though you helped to disarm the cops causing the criminal to do as he pleased and hurting your family.
Let's say you are cruising down the road on a motorcycle, out of nowhere a semi comes barreling towards you at 70 mph. Do you say it's my right of way so it I'm not getting out of his way?
He didnt do nuffin
When I write diversity I assume that to mean diversity.
But agreed, if a gun is drawn, the only reason to ask someone shoot you would be a Ghandi type protest, or you are nuts. And forcing someone to shoot is not going to end up well. But it's still clear that what cons utes forcing varies. That still appears to be controversial in the Brown case. There is going to be a thorough investigation and most likely a trial, right? But you guys are saying the gun was drawn, and Brown did NOT cooperate. There was a struggle for a gun and then a bull rush. There was clearly not any attempt to cooperate. I await the trial and witnesses under oath. Even though it appears there was clearly a struggle.
Last edited by pgardn; 08-31-2014 at 10:20 AM.
So that's the Brown conflict analogy?
Well then, no trial necessary. End of story, Brown said it, I want to die. I will force you to shoot me by charging you head on.
Last edited by pgardn; 08-31-2014 at 10:22 AM.
So what's the latest, was Brown ever charged with 2nd degree murder?
EDIT: oops, wrong thread
No, that's the analogy to what Chinook is trying to tell you. Even though you may be in the right, you will always lose in that confrontation. Same goes for fighting with the police. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
I was responding to your analogy.
Is it possible Brown was grabbed by the cop and pulled in through the window before any gun was involved? Is that fighting the cops? You got a new video?
Where did that cartoon with about 8 pictures go? I thought it was on this thread.
One of the first things you learn in criminal law classes is that you can beat the rap but not the ride.
man that video is ridiculous of those cops pulling those dudes over. both should be fired and both should get a round in their ass!
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