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Who was the franchise player on the 2002-08 Pistons?
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Mel is correct - there is a difference too in "franchise level player" & trancedent superstar. Not everyone can be Duncan or Lebron or Shaq. Just because we have come to expect that type of success does not make it the norm. Far from it.
yeah, people seem to think franchise player means elite top 5 player, which is something i've been trying to point out as faulty logic for a while now on this board (same conversation in the NFL forum about what makes a franchise QB)
Actually, all of them were above average defenders.
-Redd was a 3 & D guy when he was backing up Ray Allen
-Joe Johnson used to give Paul Pierce a tough time
-Josh Howard was the Mavs wing defender when they went to the Finals in '06
....if anything, Jimmy has slipped off defensively from his All-NBA defense days ala Paul George/LeBron.
Joe Johnson is now an elite defender because he "gave Pierce a tough time"
Butler has been in the league for 4 years. He has 2 defensive team selections. The group you just mentioned combined for a whopping zero.
Who was the franchise player on the 2014 spurs? I don't know why are you asking me that question. I didn't say you absolutely need a franchise player to win it all, tbh.
Well, you defined a franchise player (see below). Detroit went to six straight conference finals, including two NBA Finals and a championship.
Butler is the Bulls' franchise player for what its worth imho. He has the tools to become great but he has shown diva personalities, AND he still can't beat Lebron without Love and a non-existent Irving. Many question marks, good regular season player though fwiw.
Add "clearly" between "be" and the "best player" then.
or did he benefited playing against the elite easts perimeter players that he was always on tv, making it seem like his a really great defender?
what are his voting results for dpoy over the years? if not top 5 then how can he be considered great defensive player?
Top 15 player
overratedPERIOD
Shawn Marion has ZERO All-NBA D selections but Kobe has 10+Joe Johnson is now an elite defender because he "gave Pierce a tough time"
Butler has been in the league for 4 years. He has 2 defensive team selections. The group you just mentioned combined for a whopping zero.
Ah, okay, I must have missed that decade of history where Joe Johnson was suddenly widely regarded as a dominant defensive force.Shawn Marion has ZERO All-NBA D selections but Kobe has 10+
Cherokee Parks was a great defender too, he had 0 defensive selections to prove it!
You must have missed the 2008 playoffs when Joe Johnson handled Pierce/Allen, who then proceeded to take a dump on Kobe in the Finals.
Rofl
One playoff series suddenly makes a player a defensive monster for his entire career. Never mind the fact that his career defensive rating is 110.
One Playoff series is all it takes to crown someone Finals MVP, so yeahRofl
One playoff series suddenly makes a player a defensive monster for his entire career. Never mind the fact that his career defensive rating is 110.
53 points, 10 rebounds, 6 dimes, 3 steals, 50%
sixers....
kents like rose is holding him back
bulls need to get rid of that clown
OT vs the Sixers.... Still 53 is 53
23 FTs attempts, tho...Along with minutes, that's what's keeping Kawhi from regular 30/40 point games like his peers..
Yes. He made my night on fan duel yesterday
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