Cavs: Was Kevin Love really worth Andrew Wiggins and huge chunk of cap space?

[Quadzilla99]

And in any world this is a better comparison than comparing the risk/reward of drafting or trading Wiggins to Roddy Beaubois.

When I'm competing with a comparison that bad I could literally take a on a piece of paper, upload the picture and still come out looking pretty. If you want to make me work harder, you're gonna have to do the same.




Well breaking his foot added onto the already existing questions about his back. Apparently his physical with the Cavs was the tipping point behind not drafting him. If that was the case, his foot might have not even mattered.

And do you really think you can predict how the Cavs are going to draft? I'm betting you didn't see them picking Tristan Thomspon in the lotto a few years ago or Bennett last year. It's a lot more rare nowadays to draft based on need. Most teams are just grabbing who they think is the most "can't miss" prospect. (although overall fit and at ude plays into it also. I think that's why the Bucks picked Parker. Sanders is definitely not good enough to avoid drafting Embiid over had they thought he was that good. Parker actually wants to be there.)

The other problem is that the Cavs really really love Varejao. They should have traded him a few years ago when he had that monster start to open up the season but they refused to. I don't know who the they would draft that would overcome their love for him tbh....

& Bron was making them trade for Love regardless imo. He left Miami because he was tired of carrying his team, he'd have to do that even more had they drafted Embiid.

Embiid was the consensus number one according to every news outlet before breaking his foot. You can stick your head in the sand pretend this isn't the case but it is. Wiggins freshman season was seen as a disappointment by pretty much everyone and raised red flags about him. He's raw and a big gamble so it would have been flat out stupid to keep him given Lebron's age when they could have gotten an all star in his prime. Love just looks like he is a lot worse than everyone thought he would be.

[jimbo]

Embiid was the consensus number one according to every news outlet before breaking his foot. You can stick your head in the sand pretend this isn't the case but it is. Wiggins freshman season was seen as a disappointment by pretty much everyone and raised red flags about him. He's raw and a big gamble so it would have been flat out stupid to keep him given Lebron's age when they could have gotten an all star in his prime. Love just looks like he is a lot worse than everyone thought he would be.

Hey, I'm the one dealing in reality, you're the one dealing in mock drafts.

[LkrFan]

He's an SF who plays in the post and insists on being the PG. It's all well and good that he can do so much for a team, but that really marginalizes the rest of the lineup. He can't play next to traditional bigs anymore, which is why Love and Bosh had to give up so much. That's also why his teams can't protect the paint, since they give up so much size in return for spacing. He can't let the PG handle the ball, so Irving is pretty much shooting whenever he touches the ball. That's also what encourages them to play Waiters at the one even though he's not good at it.

The only reason why Wade and James worked together is because they are pretty much the same player and just took turns trading off. But even with that, the Heat were weak when they weren't winning their gambles. Until Lebron moves to the four full time and gives up the ball, his teams can't hope to play traditional lineups.

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[Quadzilla99]

Hey, I'm the one dealing in reality, you're the one dealing in mock drafts.

In your reality Wiggins is a can't miss prospect who has better value than what was considered a top 10-15 player in the league so must be some sort of bizarro reality that can only be seen by sticking your head up your ass.

[jimbo]

In your reality Wiggins is a can't miss prospect who has better value than what was considered a top 10-15 player in the league so must be some sort of bizarro reality that can only be seen by sticking your head up your ass.

He alone doesn't have better value than Kevin Love, but Wiggins + Bennett + the Miami 1st rounder + cap space > Kevin Love. They'd lose a year waiting to use that cap space, but hey it's not like they're the championship favorites this year anyways... I've been pretty consistent with this opinion since before the trade happened.

And damn bro you're getting mad. I'm sorry reality didn't align up with the mock drafts. Can't change that, but if you wanna go ahead and regale me with tales of Embiid before he broke his foot--do it.

[Chinook]

They didn't do this much after 2011, not nearly enough to warrant mentioning it

They did it in the Finals this past season. If you meant that as a shot a Wade's production, that's a different thing. The point is that Wade and James didn't really fit together on offense as much as they just stayed out of each other's way.

[Chinook]

Why would NO trade Asik or Anderson though? They're awesome role players and relatively young. Plus Davis is awesome right now so there is no need to be build for the far off future. They can compete in the next few years with that core and a little tinkering.

Well, they didn't have Asik until later in the off-season. The Rockets were looking for some type of compensation, and they probably would have taken some of Cleveland's haul over the NO pick. New Orleans had apparently been considering trading Anderson for a while already. I could totally see a package around Thompson as having been enough for the Pelicans to move him had they not gotten Asik.

[jimbo]

They did it in the Finals this past season. If you meant that as a shot a Wade's production, that's a different thing. The point is that Wade and James didn't really fit together on offense as much as they just stayed out of each other's way.

I mean now that you're saying it I can see it, but I feel like it's disingenuous to say that because the Lebron Heat teams that won championships relied on Dwyane Wade's off ball movement. They did fit together, and that's how they won championships. When they didn't play together well, they won nothing. Lebron might have gotten his numbers in last year's finals but the offense overall wasn't anything amazing. (esp in comparison to the Spurs')


There's better articles and videos out there, but this is the basic idea...I'll find you some better examples if you want.

[Chinook]

I mean now that you're saying it I can see it, but I feel like it's disingenuous to say that because the Lebron Heat teams that won championships relied on Dwyane Wade's off ball movement. They did fit together, and that's how they won championships. When they didn't play together well, they won nothing. Lebron might have gotten his numbers in last year's finals but the offense overall wasn't anything amazing. (esp in comparison to the Spurs')


There's better articles and videos out there, but this is the basic idea...I'll find you some better examples if you want.

I think that shows that Wade can play off the ball, not that he was a good fit with James. Bosh can shoot threes, but he really didn't fit well with Lebron and Wade, because he bread was buttered in the high post. In the same way that Bosh's spacing was critical to the Heat's success, Wade's off-ball movement allowed the Heat's offense to work. But Wade was only really Wade when he got the ball at the elbow and was allowed to go to work, which didn't happen very much when James was on the floor.

I appreciate the analysis, though. I do agree that the two played off each other more than I implied. I think that was the result of teamwork (effort on their parts to make it work), though, rather than them being complimentary in their skill-sets. It's similar to how Duncan and Splitter can play together even though neither one can maximize their play if they're together.