Bulls: MJ Not only punched Kerr but also ...

[Killakobe81]

MJ and Kobe are both sociopaths but the reason MJ was able to get away with more stuff was because his social skills were light years ahead of Kobe. MJ was better at charming and manipulating people. He knew which people to befriend to his benefit such as having Oakley as his bodyguard. If you think about it if MJ was on the Lakers he would have been able to manipulate turn the whole entire team against Shaq. Both suck as people and this is basically like debating who was the better dictator Sadaam or Kim Jung.

True and the more interesting take. I will ignore the overexaggerated dictator take ... If there was something else for Kobe to copy it would be that but though very smart doesnt have that gift. again Jordan was so far ahead of his time. He would be fine with today's media because he never takes controversial stands. He gives good interviews. He has an aura where he was above yet accessible to common fans. Not even Lebron has that but is much better at it than Kobe.

[Stalin]

MJ about his teammates:


.."We're beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs...Can Pip keep it up?"

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"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."

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"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."

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"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."

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"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue

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"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his ass into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey Kinga new one

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"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility

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I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."

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"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."

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"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."

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"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."

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"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."

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"It's a of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."

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"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey Kingwho was walking into the locker room with a box

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"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Daviswho was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends

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"Give me the fu*king ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine

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"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."

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"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant

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"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you'll never get the ball from me."

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"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."

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"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line

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"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate

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"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."

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"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."

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"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team."

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"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school."- Michael on Will Perdue - AWESOME!

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"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious at udes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"..........

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"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."

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"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."

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"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his ass out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson

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"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade

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"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch

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"Why the don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the ins ution of the private curtain for practices)

Sounds to me like the best player on the team has run out of patience with scrubs on his team. Not every guy on the team will be playing his hardest when he's already making millions. So for DK who's that compe ive and hard working is intolerable to see some teammates coasting, or routinely ing up. I'd diss them too, especially since DK then went on the court and backed it up with GOAT play.

[Budkin]

The only person who MJ backed down to was Bill Cartwright who literally threatened Jordan's career if he didn't stop talking about him.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...horace-grant/2

And suddenly, plays called by Collins were being ignored as Jordan took the ball to the basket. But who could really complain, since the Bulls had started to win? Eventually, though, word got back to Cartwright. He didn`t do or say anything to anybody until late that season, when he told Jordan he needed to talk to him.

There was little small talk exchanged. ``I don`t like the things I`ve heard you say about me,`` Cartwright told Jordan.

Jordan stared at him.

``If I ever hear again that you`re telling guys not to pass me the ball,`` Cartwright continued, ``you will never play basketball again.``

[Budkin]

The only person who MJ backed down to was Bill Cartwright who literally threatened Jordan's career if he didn't stop talking about him.

Actually I just found a similar story about Robert Parish. LOL Jordan. Typical bully who can't take it when the tables are turned.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...ichael-jordan/

In one of his first practices with the Bulls, Parish botched one of the plays and was amused to find Jordan jawing at him just inches from his face.

“I told him, ‘I’m not as enamored with you as these other guys. I’ve got some rings too,’ ” Parish recalled. “At that point he told me, ‘I’m going to kick your ass.’ I took one step closer and said, ‘No, you really aren’t.’ After that he didn’t bother me.”

[Killakobe81]

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". Someone even said Jordan was WORSE than Kobe.

But Jordan didnt have feud after feud with his teammates like Kobe did. Like I said, he was overly-compe ive and had a temper but was still a like-able guy.

LOTS of players can do bad things and still be like-able. Barkely threw a dude through a glass window at a bar, spit on a fan, chased a ref through the tunnels etc. Media still loved him not because he "played in a different era" but because he was funny, genuine, exciting and had great camaraderie with teammates.

Jordan got a "pass" not because he played in a different era but because he was able to charm the media, his teammates and his fans. Watch that Oprah interview...hes got her eating out of his hand. When youre that charming, handsome, intelligent, articulate etc, NO ONE CARES if you once punched a teammate in practice.

But if you scream at the GM during practice that your teammates are soft as charmin etc in front of the media, youre not "pushing your teammates". Youre trying to embarrass them. Dont use "todays era of scrutiny" as an excuse as to why Kobe acts like an asshole every day.

1. MJ did all of that how do you think it made it in to multiple books?
2. Today's scrutiny has increased, no doubt but Lebron (nor Kobe who you are focused on) were NEVER as popular as MJ...so that is no excuse. He had more hoopla plenty of questionable acts but less negative press.

3. What?! Mj never feuded with team-mates? LOL, he openly feuded with Grant, Kukoc and Cartwright ..how old are you?
4. Just because someone is likeable doesnt excuse their behavior. Bill cosby was Tv's favorite dad. OJ was in loads of commercials and the Naked Gun movies. Not saying MJ done anything close to what those guys were accused of, but dont get how that helps your case.
5. I created this thread. I get that my handle is killakobe81 and I am a known Kobe apologist, but honestly on my two kids ... this was not about Kobe. Again how does talking about MJ's manipulation of the media help Kobe? So i can say wow he is just as BAD as Kobe? how does that help ANYTHING?

MJ still GOAT
still has 6>5,
Only blind Kobe stans think Kobe is greater.

[DMC]

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". Someone even said Jordan was WORSE than Kobe.

But Jordan didnt have feud after feud with his teammates like Kobe did. Like I said, he was overly-compe ive and had a temper but was still a like-able guy.

LOTS of players can do bad things and still be like-able. Barkely threw a dude through a glass window at a bar, spit on a fan, chased a ref through the tunnels etc. Media still loved him not because he "played in a different era" but because he was funny, genuine, exciting and had great camaraderie with teammates.

Jordan got a "pass" not because he played in a different era but because he was able to charm the media, his teammates and his fans. Watch that Oprah interview...hes got her eating out of his hand. When youre that charming, handsome, intelligent, articulate etc, NO ONE CARES if you once punched a teammate in practice.

But if you scream at the GM during practice that your teammates are soft as charmin etc in front of the media, youre not "pushing your teammates". Youre trying to embarrass them. Dont use "todays era of scrutiny" as an excuse as to why Kobe acts like an asshole every day.

This is true, and most of all that MJ said was when MJ was telling the truth. Kobe is the cancer and has been for a long time, yet he somehow thinks he's MJ and the other guys are Stacey King.

[DMC]

1. MJ did all of that how do you think it made it in to multiple books?
2. Today's scrutiny has increased, no doubt but Lebron (nor Kobe who you are focused on) were NEVER as popular as MJ...so that is no excuse. He had more hoopla plenty of questionable acts but less negative press.

3. What?! Mj never feuded with team-mates? LOL, he openly feuded with Grant, Kukoc and Cartwright ..how old are you?
4. Just because someone is likeable doesnt excuse their behavior. Bill cosby was Tv's favorite dad. OJ was in loads of commercials and the Naked Gun movies. Not saying MJ done anything close to what those guys were accused of, but dont get how that helps your case.
5. I created this thread. I get that my handle is killakobe81 and I am a known Kobe apologist, but honestly on my two kids ... this was not about Kobe. Again how does talking about MJ's manipulation of the media help Kobe? So i can say wow he is just as BAD as Kobe? how does that help ANYTHING?

MJ still GOAT
still has 6>5,
Only blind Kobe stans think Kobe is greater.

When you take that name on a Spurs forum, and then start a thread talking about how MJ was a prick right after Kobe hangs it up for the season, and you expect anyone to not think you're propping up Kobe, you're re ed. You chose the name, you did it on the Spurs website, live with the fallout.

[Stalin]

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". Someone even said Jordan was WORSE than Kobe.

But Jordan didnt have feud after feud with his teammates like Kobe did. Like I said, he was overly-compe ive and had a temper but was still a like-able guy.

LOTS of players can do bad things and still be like-able. Barkely threw a dude through a glass window at a bar, spit on a fan, chased a ref through the tunnels etc. Media still loved him not because he "played in a different era" but because he was funny, genuine, exciting and had great camaraderie with teammates.

Jordan got a "pass" not because he played in a different era but because he was able to charm the media, his teammates and his fans. Watch that Oprah interview...hes got her eating out of his hand. When youre that charming, handsome, intelligent, articulate etc, NO ONE CARES if you once punched a teammate in practice.

But if you scream at the GM during practice that your teammates are soft as charmin etc in front of the media, youre not "pushing your teammates". Youre trying to embarrass them. Dont use "todays era of scrutiny" as an excuse as to why Kobe acts like an asshole every day.

da_suns_fan bringing the goods

[Thread]

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". Someone even said Jordan was WORSE than Kobe.

But Jordan didnt have feud after feud with his teammates like Kobe did. Like I said, he was overly-compe ive and had a temper but was still a like-able guy.

LOTS of players can do bad things and still be like-able. Barkely threw a dude through a glass window at a bar, spit on a fan, chased a ref through the tunnels etc. Media still loved him not because he "played in a different era" but because he was funny, genuine, exciting and had great camaraderie with teammates.

Jordan got a "pass" not because he played in a different era but because he was able to charm the media, his teammates and his fans. Watch that Oprah interview...hes got her eating out of his hand. When youre that charming, handsome, intelligent, articulate etc, NO ONE CARES if you once punched a teammate in practice.

But if you scream at the GM during practice that your teammates are soft as charmin etc in front of the media, youre not "pushing your teammates". Youre trying to embarrass them. Dont use "todays era of scrutiny" as an excuse as to why Kobe acts like an asshole every day.

Barkley was a loser. You're short all of it because he had to be a big shot causing a dominoe fall to initiate culminating with Paxson's 3. But, we never talked about that in '93 and we ain't talked about it in the intervening 22 years, save for this old . But, that's what happened. For whatever reason Barkley was given a pass then as he has since. His only punishment is having to sit on that TnT set with Smith & Daddy.

Kobe has his 5 and he took one of 'em over your dead body.........lettin' Artest put that back.

[Molotov]

^ got

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Of course, nobody wants to hear the truth. They wants their Barkley, big, loud, & cuddly. But, I remember, daddy-O, and I'm tellin'PERIOD

[da_suns_fan]

Barkley was a loser. You're short all of it because he had to be a big shot causing a dominoe fall to initiate culminating with Paxson's 3. But, we never talked about that in '93 and we ain't talked about it in the intervening 22 years, save for this old . But, that's what happened. For whatever reason Barkley was given a pass then as he has since. His only punishment is having to sit on that TnT set with Smith & Daddy.

Kobe has his 5 and he took one of 'em over your dead body.........lettin' Artest put that back.

All true. Barkley went for a steal that started the "domino effect" as you call it that led to the Paxon three and Kobe beat the Suns several times on the way to five championships.

He (Barkley) was still FUN AS to cheer for and I still would love to get an autographed jersey for my office .

[Killakobe81]

When you take that name on a Spurs forum, and then start a thread talking about how MJ was a prick right after Kobe hangs it up for the season, and you expect anyone to not think you're propping up Kobe, you're re ed. You chose the name, you did it on the Spurs website, live with the fallout.

1. Wasnt even focusing on the prick part a lot of us already knew that. The interesting part was the fact that is doesnt "stick". While Lebon is probably the closest to MJ in terms of all around dominance, gets on for the Decision, cramps, Delonte sticking his mon. Yes the new media outlets forums like this explain why we know more about James than Jordan but not WHY that stuff does not stick to him. Kobe is irrelevant because most of what he has done has stuck and it is obvious why.

2. I did not time this, LOL. THe story it came out when it did ... you give me to much credit. I dont sit her in between projects and think "hmm Kobe just retired let's go dig up dirt on a player that RETIRED over a decade ago!!" that will show them!!! I get this place is a troll haven but I rarely troll.In fact I have never done so with this account. Only time I did was during the backdoor sweep by OKC a few years back I got caught with an alt and I stopped. Prior to that never trolled and I havent done so since. Maybe a certain other Laker fan would do that ... I did not. And again, really what would that do to elevate Kobe? Please explain.

3. I dont give a what you assume. It's the NBA forum sure it's a spur site but I cannot tell you how long it's been since I created a Kobe themed thread or even really battled on his behalf. 5 changed things for me DMC.I dont even argue Kobe over duncan anymore. Yes, i occasional battle Amb on the tiness of the current roster and the roster of the past few seasons since he pins EVERYTHING on Kobe ... but outside of that since last June most of my posts are 95% Kobe free. Im focused on the TANK!!!

You want to ignore the above because of my screen name, cheers.

[DMC]

1. Wasnt even focusing on the prick part a lot of us already knew that. The interesting part was the fact that is doesnt "stick". While Lebon is probably the closest to MJ in terms of all around dominance, gets on for the Decision, cramps, Delonte sticking his mon. Yes the new media outlets forums like this explain why we know more about James than Jordan but not WHY that stuff does not stick to him. Kobe is irrelevant because most of what he has done has stuck and it is obvious why.

2. I did not time this, LOL. THe story it came out when it did ... you give me to much credit. I dont sit her in between projects and think "hmm Kobe just retired let's go dig up dirt on a player that RETIRED over a decade ago!!" that will show them!!! I get this place is a troll haven but I rarely troll.In fact I have never done so with this account. Only time I did was during the backdoor sweep by OKC a few years back I got caught with an alt and I stopped. Prior to that never trolled and I havent done so since. Maybe a certain other Laker fan would do that ... I did not. And again, really what would that do to elevate Kobe? Please explain.

3. I dont give a what you assume. It's the NBA forum sure it's a spur site but I cannot tell you how long it's been since I created a Kobe themed thread or even really battled on his behalf. 5 changed things for me DMC.I dont even argue Kobe over duncan anymore. Yes, i occasional battle Amb on the tiness of the current roster and the roster of the past few seasons since he pins EVERYTHING on Kobe ... but outside of that since last June most of my posts are 95% Kobe free. Im focused on the TANK!!!

You want to ignore the above because of my screen name, cheers.

None of your posts are Kobe free. It's in your name. You chose it.

[Killakobe81]

None of your posts are Kobe free. It's in your name. You chose it.

yep. Again it was my PSN, youtube and Xbox live handle ... It is still my PSN and youtube handle. I chose it over 10 years ago. Kobe already was a loved and hated player I liked that. If you noticeI stick up for most of the mast hated here: Kobe, Russ, Drose pre-injury and now Tony Parker ... my boys online just call me Killa, it stuck. seems to keep things simple. Not a master of having multiple accounts and tags that is why I sucked at trollin'. and if it bugs you to see it everytime I post for however long I stay here that is even better.

[Mori Chu]

[Molotov]

[DMC]

yep. Again it was my PSN, youtube and Xbox live handle ... It is still my PSN and youtube handle. I chose it over 10 years ago. Kobe already was a loved and hated player I liked that. If you noticeI stick up for most of the mast hated here: Kobe, Russ, Drose pre-injury and now Tony Parker ... my boys online just call me Killa, it stuck. seems to keep things simple. Not a master of having multiple accounts and tags that is why I sucked at trollin'. and if it bugs you to see it everytime I post for however long I stay here that is even better.

It doesn't bother me. If I named myself sucker and started a thread about how bad pussy is, you'd have a case against me for being biased.

[Killakobe81]

It doesn't bother me. If I named myself sucker and started a thread about how bad pussy is, you'd have a case against me for being biased.

Huh? funny but huh? and never said I wasnt biased. We are all biased, genius. I just said that thread wasnt about Kobe and it wasnt you just tried to make it so you and some off-brand suns fan ... even Amb stayed on topic, mostly.

[RsxPiimp]

If I named myself sucker and started a thread about how bad pussy is, you'd have a case against me for being biased.

[JamStone]

Isaiah broke his hand punching Bill Lainbeer in the back of the head in a practice. It didn't really negatively impact their friendship. Might depend on the people involved and their respective personalities. Sounds like Jordan was trying to just be a bully.

[DMC]

Huh? funny but huh? and never said I wasnt biased. We are all biased, genius. I just said that thread wasnt about Kobe and it wasnt you just tried to make it so you and some off-brand suns fan ... even Amb stayed on topic, mostly.

But under it all, you're motivated to chase MJ with a stick because Kobe is at the back of the line. That's what's being said here.

[Killakobe81]

But under it all, you're motivated to chase MJ with a stick because Kobe is at the back of the line. That's what's being said here.

Nope. I like MJ. Was never a Jordan disciple as a kid, used to hate him. Loved come fly with me, though. but again once I matured took off the homer glasses he had surpassed Magic. Magic is greater than Kobe so I dont see what good chasing Mj with a stick would do. Nice story though bro.

If i wanted to elevate anyone it would be Magic, not Kobe. He was my childhood sports hero.

[Mori Chu]

[Killakobe81]

If any of the links were meant for me, I dont click them at work ... and by the time I get home, I dont care as much. PM, if you have something worthwhile ...