Tony Parker's scoring production in the postseason

[hater]

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[Arcadian]

Nevermind all this talk about Manu and Parker. Nevermind Pop's mistakes. I'll always remember the 2013 Finals as the time when Miami got extremely lucky - luck on a magnitude never seen before - to "win" the worst championship of all time. The 2013 championship should have the biggest * of any.

They needed a random bounce of the ball after Lebron's desperate heave at the end of game 6 to set up Allen's shot. They needed critical missed free throws from multiple Spurs players.

I'll never forget the look on Lebron's face when he was in desperation mode in game 6. He was ing dead. Dead and scared for his basketball life. And he got bailed out by luck. ing bas .

In 2014, he got what was comin' to him.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Nope, just been a fan of the Spurs long enough to know who's a FMVP, 6x All-Star, 4x All-NBA and who's a 6th man (one of the best ones of all time, IMO). And it's pretty obvious from watching this board for 2 years, that it's heavily led against TP, even to the point of saying that the All-Time Playoff-Scoring-Leading PG "underperforms" in the playoffs.

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[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Yes, it is bad...but AWFUL is:

26 pts, 12 ast COMBINED in Games 2, 3, 4, & 6 for Ginobili. ... oh, and 14 TOs.

How about we use every playoff performance in Spurs history and compare them two?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

That's not how it works, especially if the team loses. Chances are if he has a decent shooting night the Spurs have more room for error in the closing minutes. Same goes for Manu if he keeps his TOs under five.

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[MateoNeygro]

It's just a response to the ridiculous Parker bashing and baseless accusations that I've been seeing for like 2 years on this thread (just got approved to post like yesterday). I'm in complete agreement with you that they are both great players and have both had bad series, but when people just make things up like "Parker was gunning for FMVP at the beginning of the 4th quarter in G6" when he wasn't even in the game, it gets ridiculous and begs to be corrected. Just go buy the game on iTunes or whatever if you haven't seen it in a while so you can watch it again... Then sometimes people try to lay all the blame on one player and the only way to show them how silly that is is to simply point out another player that was much worse. It's not that Manu isn't great...he is, and he's been a huge part of the les...but each player carries weight and Ginobili happened to have his only career 8-TO game that day. Parker had one of his worst shooting performances in the playoffs that day. Duncan went 0-5 for 0 pts in the 4th quarter and overtime, which is very unlike him to close out a championship. Danny Green went 1-7 and Gary Neal went 2-7 that day. Pop made what in hindsight looks like a coaching mistake in not having your best rebounder in at the end of regulation or not calling timeout at the end of overtime to run a play to win the championship, which led to us not even getting a shot at the rim. Lots of mistakes to point to, so I'm with you...it definitely doesn't all fall on one player or on Pop. Losing is a team effort, just like winning.

Exactly it's a team game. Something the Spurs have done very well for over a decade with these same two apparently "polarizing" players (manu and tony). I highly doubt Tony went out there trying to win a ing FMVP. He was trying to help our team win. People that try and deduct any person's motives from a game of basketball is dumb. Tony and Manu have both been great team players their whole career (Erin Barry withstanding). Team first guys, that's why they've had so much success. They lost by ONE ING REBOUND. If that Allen 3 never happened and we won the chip it would be a moot point.

[TheGreatYacht]

They're both proven playoff performers, tbh.

[Brunodf]

Raw stats fans

[KL2]

Parker's scoring production has increased in the postseason in 12 of his 13 playoff runs:

2001-02 - Regular Sesason: 9.2/4.3 | Playoffs 15.5/4.0 (+6.3)
2002-03 - Regular Sesason: 15.5/5.3 | Playoffs 14.7/3.5 (-0.8)
2003-04 - Regular Sesason: 14.7/5.5 | Playoffs 18.4/7.0 (+3.7)
2004-05 - Regular Sesason: 16.6/6.1 | Playoffs 17.2/4.3 (+0.6)
2005-06 - Regular Sesason: 18.9/5.8 | Playoffs 21.1/3.8 (+2.2)
2006-07 - Regular Sesason: 18.6/5.5 | Playoffs 20.8/5.8 (+2.2)
2007-08 - Regular Sesason: 18.8/6.0 | Playoffs 22.4/6.1 (+3.6)
2008-09 - Regular Sesason: 22.0/6.9 | Playoffs 28.6/6.8 (+6.6)
2009-10 - Regular Sesason: 16.0/5.7 | Playoffs 17.3/5.4 (+1.3)
2010-11 - Regular Sesason: 17.5/6.6 | Playoffs 19.7/5.2 (+2.2)
2011-12 - Regular Sesason: 18.3/7.7 | Playoffs 20.1/6.8 (+1.8)
2012-13 - Regular Sesason: 20.3/7.6 | Playoffs 20.6/7.0 (+0.3)
2013-14 - Regular Sesason: 16.7/5.7 | Playoffs 17.4/4.8 (+0.7)

...whereas a guy like Duncan's scoring decreased in the postseason in '98, '04, & '11 (3 out of his 16 playoff runs). I think there are people on this board that think that Parker actually scores less in the playoffs than in the regular season. Just like there are people who think he actually hasn't led our team in scoring the past 3 regular seasons and playoffs, which of course resulted in 3 trips to the WCF, 2 trips to the Finals, and 1 NBA Championship (along with having a top 3 regular season record those years, 2 of them being #1).

I fully believe Parker does not have an extra gear, and that is what you're not accounting for.

Ask yourself, how many of those regular season games have been blow outs? A ton, Parker usually did most of his damage early, easily scoring 14 points or so in the 1st half. By then the game is over, less Parker oriented offense, Parker picking up a few buckets here and there, plays limited minutes, a much more limited role in the offense.

If you think about it, if Parker truly wanted to, he could've continued that 1st half performance, his scoring average would be pretty sick. It's obvious how easy the game used to come to him in the regular season.

BUT

The regular season is not the playoffs.

Parker is playing at the same level he was in the RS, his averages are very much the same, but this time he's not in cruise control, he's trying his absolute hardest, his entire team is geared towards helping him all 4 quarters. Many things that were working during the regular season aren't working in the playoffs.

RS=easy mode
Playoffs=Hard mode

That's the way I view it...

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I don't really understand what FKLA is arguing. Parker is a FMVP and played outstanding in 13. He's past his prime, and that's partly because he's running constantly during the offense and was for years. All those screens he had to run off wore him out. But he's still a good player..

[SpursFan86]

I'm not about to read through this entire thread because I already know it's probably filled with takes of people trolling Parker/Manu/Kawhi, but there's really no denying that Parker has been an underwhelming playoff performer compared to how he does in the regular season. Obviously some dropoff is normal (playing harder teams in playoffs --> harder to do well), but Parker's dropoff is substantial.

Manu is a much better playoff performer and I find a hard time believing how any Spurs fan who has actually watched the team over the past decade and a half would disagree with that.