Dashboard cam released with Sandra Bland and the Police Officer

[TheSanityAnnex]

why don't we hold cops accountable for their actions? its always why didn't the victim do x,y,z but we allow ty cops like this to do/say what they want. it isn't against the law to have an at ude with a cop, millions of us have had at udes with them. she did everything he asked: put out the cig and got out of the vehicle.

Sure the cop was a , but why is he to blame for a suicide three days later? Why isn't she held accountable for her own death?

[Trill Clinton]

i'm not quick to blame that cop in particular for her suicide. the system is at fault. she was harrassed and provoked over a minor traffic violation and thrown in jail and never should have been in that position in the first place.

the cir stances surrounding her death are strange and i hold the jail accountable for every life they hold behind their bars. if she did indeed hang herself with a trash bag then they share some blame for allowing contraband in the cell. how often were they checking on her and other inmates? why would she kill herself when she was in process of getting bailed out from family? why would she kill herself when she had just gotten a job and things were good for her?

[philldafunk]

why don't we hold cops accountable for their actions? its always why didn't the victim do x,y,z but we allow ty cops like this to do/say what they want. it isn't against the law to have an at ude with a cop, millions of us have had at udes with them. she did everything he asked: put out the cig and got out of the vehicle.

While she may have done everything he asked, she copped an at ude which definitely tested him, escalated the situation, and ultimately led to her bogus arrest.

I wish I knew why we don't hold cops accountable, all I know is that it seems the after the investigation the cop is usually cleared of any wrong doing pretty much every single time (this case may have a different outcome). Having that been said, if you know that cops can pretty much kill at will why would you go out of your way to give them a reason to put a bullet in your ass. By going out of your way I mean saying anything other than yes/no officer.

Sure your pride might take a hit, but you can de escalate the situation by just being courteous.


I hate that it's the way it is, but that is the current situation of our country.

[Biernutz]

.... after a miscarriage, probably episodically, not chronically, deeply depressed. Going to start a new professional job doesn't sound like someone who is depressed, or suicidal.

How was her mental state,was she under treatment for it? How depressed was she about the miscarriage and new job? Did the
traffic stop push her over the edge? The jail guards said she told them she tried to commit suicide before. If she told the jail
guards that she should have been placed in a cell where she should be watched continually and have someone come talk to
her.

[Koolaid_Man]

Sure the cop was a , but why is he to blame for a suicide three days later? Why isn't she held accountable for her own death?

Because she didnt kill herself...these ing gott ass hillbillly ass cops need to stop this ...i think we start by reins uting the fairness doctrine...hopefully Hillary will do that as part of her first term agenda...stop all the right wing hate talk radio that's fueling these KKK members in blue uniforms....one the fairness doctrine is reinstated then it means equal airtime for a different political viewpoint....

These ing moron ass cops need harsh prison sentences handed down to them...when I'm stopped I automatically realize the cop is a dumb brute and inferior to me...so I treat him like the dummy he is by condescendingly complying...and I always hand him a pre-paid legal card that states my rights....even though I dont use pre-paid legal..its just a good way to let them know I will sick my lawyer on their re ed asses

[Trill Clinton]

here we go

[Trill Clinton]

While she may have done everything he asked, she copped an at ude which definitely tested him, escalated the situation, and ultimately led to her bogus arrest.

I wish I knew why we don't hold cops accountable, all I know is that it seems the after the investigation the cop is usually cleared of any wrong doing pretty much every single time (this case may have a different outcome). Having that been said, if you know that cops can pretty much kill at will why would you go out of your way to give them a reason to put a bullet in your ass. By going out of your way I mean saying anything other than yes/no officer.

Sure your pride might take a hit, but you can de escalate the situation by just being courteous.


I hate that it's the way it is, but that is the current situation of our country.

so cops can kill, agitate, incite, prod and harrass at will and we should just accept it and kiss their ass? i don't engage in respectability politics, fam.

[mrsmaalox]

People are too mouthy, cops are too thin skinned.

2 things that have crossed my mind: One, is that she exhibits forward thinking when she left the message to her friend asking them to call her back and the tape from the jail (a couple of hours before she is found dead) when she asks when she can make a phone call; NOT a trait of a suicidal person.

Two, the autopsy allegedly shows signs of possible old "cutting" scars. Is it possible she may have had a meltdown and without anything to cut with to ease her frustration, went for the bag and strangling but accidently killed herself?

[Koolaid_Man]

While she may have done everything he asked, she copped an at ude which definitely tested him, escalated the situation, and ultimately led to her bogus arrest.

I wish I knew why we don't hold cops accountable, all I know is that it seems the after the investigation the cop is usually cleared of any wrong doing pretty much every single time (this case may have a different outcome). Having that been said, if you know that cops can pretty much kill at will why would you go out of your way to give them a reason to put a bullet in your ass. By going out of your way I mean saying anything other than yes/no officer.

Sure your pride might take a hit, but you can de escalate the situation by just being courteous.


I hate that it's the way it is, but that is the current situation of our country.

We dont hold those gits accountable because the white community isnt affected by this ...they arent being profiled like this woman was...he pulled her over because if her race..he used the signal thing as an excuse....she was trying to get out of his way but he decided he wanted to with her since she was black he Likely reasoned he could bust her for more ....

Same with the mandatory minimum sentencing drug laws....its only getting attention because more white boys are being affected by it,.real talk

[Thread]

Yes people try to rationalize actions they feel deep guilt over.
And you conclude that this practice works?
How would you know this? For this cop and his family. This is not a movie.

To this degree? I don't know. I've never consciously lured somebody to their death.

[Opinionater]

Sure she should have. But the cop was absolutely attempting to prod her. He comes with this " I was only going to give you a warning" after the situation is well on its way to getting ugly. Why is the cop having such a bad day as to create a fire? There is a bit of scrutiny involving these situations. Cops need to be the adults and leave the pride out, especially if attempting to harass the citizenry. Just let them call you names, so what, does that really hurt? Be above the children you inevitably run into during your day.

I concur, however, IMHO, this falls on the parents, guardians, etc. to advise their children to avoid confrontation with the authorities. Are the cops always right and doing the right thing? No. However this would not have escalated if she would have just put the cig out. That is how I see it.

[IceColdBrewski]

.... after a miscarriage, probably episodically, not chronically, deeply depressed. Going to start a new professional job doesn't sound like someone who is depressed, or suicidal.

Thanks for your professional internet diagnosis Dr. boutons. But I guess you missed the part where she told them she tried to kill herself a year earlier.

[mrsmaalox]

Thanks for your professional internet diagnosis Dr. boutons. But I guess you missed the part where she told them she tried to kill herself a year earlier.

It actually is a pretty decent internet diagnosis. Previous suicide attempt due to episodic depression. Very few people who attempt suicide once, ever try it again.

[boutons_deux]

Thanks for your professional internet diagnosis Dr. boutons. But I guess you missed the part where she told them she tried to kill herself a year earlier.

IceCold si, post-partum/post-miscarriage depression can be severe, but it's episodic, not chronic. You're hoping the she committed suicide with plastic garbage bag, letting the bad cop escape all accountability for jailing her for no reason.

[Biernutz]

We dont hold those gits accountable because the white community isnt affected by this ...they arent being profiled like this woman was...he pulled her over because if her race..he used the signal thing as an excuse....she was trying to get out of his way but he decided he wanted to with her since she was black he Likely reasoned he could bust her for more ....

Same with the mandatory minimum sentencing drug laws....its only getting attention because more white boys are being affected by it,.real talk

[ColinB]

I concur, however, IMHO, this falls on the parents, guardians, etc. to advise their children to avoid confrontation with the authorities. Are the cops always right and doing the right thing? No. However this would not have escalated if she would have just put the cig out. That is how I see it.

It wouldn't have escalated if the cop just let her smoke and issue a warning. It wouldn't have escalated if the cop followed training on not escalating the situation himself. That's how I see it.

[IceColdBrewski]

It actually is a pretty decent internet diagnosis. Previous suicide attempt due to episodic depression. Very few people who attempt suicide once, ever try it again.

You focused on the sarcastic part of my comments and completely missed the point I was making. Just pointing out to boutons that he's doing his usual thing. Ignoring facts and common sense to keep pushing his narrative. Cops had no reason at all to murder this woman, but that's what he desperately wants to believe since it fits his warped view of the world.

[Biernutz]

It actually is a pretty decent internet diagnosis. Previous suicide attempt due to episodic depression. Very few people who attempt suicide once, ever try it again.

One third will try again within a year. 10% will finally do it

http://www.nytimes.com/health/guides.../overview.html

[mrsmaalox]

One third will try again within a year. 10% will finally do it

http://www.nytimes.com/health/guides.../overview.html

One third isn't very many. But yea, "very few" was the wrong thing to say.

[unleashbaynes]

It wouldn't have escalated if the cop just let her smoke and issue a warning. It wouldn't have escalated if the cop followed training on not escalating the situation himself. That's how I see it.

Yup. The cop is supposed to be trained to act professionally. He failed miserably.

[mrsmaalox]

You focused on the sarcastic part of my comments and completely missed the point I was making. Just pointing out to boutons that he's doing his usual thing. Ignoring facts and common sense to keep pushing his narrative. Cops had no reason at all to murder this woman, but that's what he desperately wants to believe since it fits his warped view of the world.

I guess. I just pretty much see most posters here ignoring facts and common sense to push their narratives. Not saying its right, just par for the course around here. Not unlike you ignored the facts in his post to push your own narrative about him.

[pgardn]

To this degree? I don't know. I've never consciously lured somebody to their death.

Or you have never rationalized something you feel ty about and then realize this did not help, that you still feel guilty? So I'm gonna guess yes you have, but not luring someone to their death. The word luring implies a conscious effort.
(I guess you are in this Cop's head as he apparently attempted to lure her to her death; So he found out later she was suicidal and requested that she be held so she might off herself? Or maybe he radioed in off camera when he first pulled her over and the plan was set.)

You have no Earthly clue what this cop feels like. He could have been having a horrible day and now he might have extraordinarily ty days to come. But the cop with no conscience fits the bad guy good guy movie characters perfectly. It's nice to definitively know who wears the black hat.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure the cop was a , but why is he to blame for a suicide three days later? Why isn't she held accountable for her own death?

It falls more on the jail personnel who know she had tried to commit suicide previously, but the cop will probably be on the hook for a stupid arrest.

[Dr.Phil]

Sure the cop was a , but why is he to blame for a suicide three days later? Why isn't she held accountable for her own death?

For the same reason a person can be held accountable for a person's suicide due to bullying that occurred over a period of time. It doesn't have be right before the act of suicide occurs.

[Clipper Nation]

So she went out of her way to avoid following lawful orders. Then, after a history of depression, PTSD, and previous suicide attempts, she hung herself... and people still think the cops murdered her in cold blood? Seems to me that this woman just had serious mental issues and needed help.