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Hey Brazil, you should probably post that picture you found of Apa again and watch him go snitch to the mods
i think it's quite hard to prove it (and if you want to make the claim, the onus is on you). he and magic were neck and neck in college and in the nba as far as numbers/accomplishments, and they are also neck and neck as far as legacies go
Hey Brazil, you should probably post that picture you found of Apa again and watch him go snitch to the mods
Larry Bird
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1982–1984)
Yeah, what a trash defender.
he's white. automatically trash defenderLarry Bird
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1982–1984)
Yeah, what a trash defender.
Really, this bashing old timers schtick really ran its course a while back.
I know you guys are bored and your hand can only give yourself so much attention, but try to get another angle, ok?
Basketball was only popular in certain parts of the country at that time, basketball was still ranked behind sports like baseball, boxing, hockey, tennis, etc. it was relatively unpopular until cable and tv's became wide spread in the 80's, that's when Stern started to market his stars like Magic and the NBA's popularity boomed because it was now on a world stage.
I'm not just talking about America either, I'm talking about the whole world. The talent pool is huge, population is not static and it has increased by hundreds of millions since the 1960's. Right now there are over 5.5 million kids ages from 6-12 playing youth basketball, the majority of which are males. Most of these youth developmental programs didn't exist back in the day, they're honing their skills from a very young age.
Out of that 5.5 million (Let's say 3 million are boys, that's a fair number) American kids it gets whittled down to just 500,000+ participants in men's high school basketball. That 500,000 then gets filtered down to just 4,500 Div. 1 college basketball players. This process keeps repeating itself over and over.
Then you also have the whole European system which is separate, basketball is now one of Europe's most popular sports and has too seen a huge increase in basketball programs. Worldwide you've got players coming from all over the place Brazil, Australia, Asia, Argentina, France, Canada, etc. the Spurs have a damn Aboriginal on their team lmao.
It's weird when Spurs fans are the one taking swipes at Bird under the banner of average at best athletes can't compete in modernity when they won 5 les with an average at-best athlete in Duncan schooling overrated elite athletes with half the skill, smarts, and heart.
Yet, somehow, something as irrelevant as skin color eliminates one of the best shooting, best passing, best rebounding combo-forwards to ever play?
In an era with no handchecking and illegal defenses, it's not unreasonable to think Bird is the same player, if not better.
I mean, Peja ing averaged like 24 a game just 10 years ago. And compared to Bird, Peja has a goddamn mental infant. No for ude, no heart.
Like North Carolina and Indiana?
inb4 "Peja would have been the GOAT if he played in the 80's"
Bird was the Curry of his time,,,tbh. He could shoot from anywhere on the floor and drain it,,,,
The if I know, I don't know exactly where it was popular, I just know the popularity pales in comparison in today's game.
Ahhh, sheeeeit! Did I inadvertently create a new topic? ....
If you don't know the history of basketball in the states where Jordan and Bird were born, raised, educated, and heroed, then maybe you should shut the up on the subject?
Talking out yer ass mostly leads to takes.
Of all the places, in all the states in the country, those two states are the most basketball-worshipping of them all. Your argument literally couldn't have two worse geographical examples.
That's a tough one,,,,it would be like blacks choosing between welfare or legalizing black on black crime,,,,tbh
Duncan was an elite athlete in his younger years, he moved very fluidly around the court for a big man. His career has also been extended thanks to strength and conditioning coaches which weren't even employed by the NBA until the 90's after they saw the result it had on Jordan's body, then it became widespread.
The players you think that don't look athletic, are. They don't look like it in a sea of athletes.
Duncan has simply never been an elite athlete. Not for a Big. Not for any body.
He's a solid athlete with superior everything else.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
Isis tbh. The bird hating is a shtick, I get it.
Assuming I qualify as white American, which would be a reach
All those sports still ted on basketball lmao, baseball had a ton of stars, the NBA didn't start marketing around it's stars until the 1980's when cable became widespread. Either way it doesn't really matter how popular basketball was in those states at that time, basketball is a worldwide sport.
Players like Ginobili grew up idolizing Jordan.
Not elite, but above average, yes early in his career. He's not explosive, but he moved very well for a man his size.
Matt Bonner is arguably one of the least athletic players in the NBA, yet when you look at his profile, you'll realize he's 6'10 240llbs of muscle that can shoot like a guard:
At 240lbs in the 80's he would've been bigger than most PF's in the league, Bonner would've had elite size and could've gotten his shot whenever he wanted.
KL2, what the is your malfunction?
Btw, when you can't hand check, you'll get burned. You need lateral movement in order to keep up with today's ball handlers, Jordan had never seen anything like Iverson before, now you've got even big men that can handle the ball on the perimeter. The act of crossing over requires you to start and stop, shift your weight and remain balanced, you need to be explosive to execute them especially when you're over 240lbs. Leonard's game is a lot like old school bball, but he's over 240lbs and shoots lights out, again, that's bigger than a lot of bigs from the 80s.
Keep flinging that , KL2. I'm sure in time some of it will stick.
michael jordan never faced crossovers until allen iverson. now i've heard it all.
KL2 do you know who mark price is?
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