Lakers: Cowherd: All the Lakers youngins are on the block this offseason... except Julia

[Killakobe81]

Perfect example of Randle's lack of athleticism - he's supposed to be a good finisher and polished down low. However, while he takes almost 50% of his FG's from 3 feet or less, he only finishes at 53%. Compare that to Aaron Gordon? Gordon takes about the same amount of his shots from inside 3FT has Randle, but finishes at 61%.

The league average is at 61%. So for a guy that couldn't shoot in college, can't shoot in the NBA and is supposed to be a polished inside guy, he finishes well below league average in the one spot he's supposed to be good at and where he takes almost 50% of his shots.

Gordon is a dunker of course his FG% is higher. Plus he plays on a better team in a better offense what do those stats prove? Especially when Gordon played more (he got hurt too) as a rookie than Randle this ia pretty much Randle's rookie year. Let's compare gordon this year to Randle next one ...

[Raven]

Such as ?

lack of athleticism and length. You could also add IQ and shooting, but those are always improved with time.

[Killakobe81]

This is all to say, it's not me being biased. This is an opinion of me watching him and doing research to form an opinion. Not just pointing to All-Star caliber outliers to say "well, they overcame a short-coming, why can't Randle". He can, it just seems really, really unlikely at this point.

Bowen is not an all-star. Draymond green is not one yet either ...

[Killakobe81]

lack of athleticism and length. You could also add IQ and shooting, but those are always improved with time.

No what prospects were better After 7?

[Raven]

Gordon is a dunker of course his FG% is higher. Plus he plays on a better team in a better offense what do those stats prove? Especially when Gordon played more (he got hurt too) as a rookie than Randle this ia pretty much Randle's rookie year. Let's compare gordon this year to Randle next one ...

Gordon is in a much much harder position to produce. Randle is there just statpadding the whole game wtf are you talking about

[DPG21920]

Gordon is a dunker of course his FG% is higher. Plus he plays on a better team in a better offense what do those stats prove? Especially when Gordon played more (he got hurt too) as a rookie than Randle this ia pretty much Randle's rookie year. Let's compare gordon this year to Randle next one ...

Wow. It's really hard to have a conversation with someone that doesn't really care . All of these excuses for Randle while simply ignoring the stats and what everything has shown us to this point.

[Raven]

No what prospects were better After 7?

Payton, Hood, Lavine, Šarić and Anderson are the easy picks. You could argue many more, especially bigs, but let's stick with those that are undeniable.

[DPG21920]

Bowen is not an all-star. Draymond green is not one yet either ...

You're being obtuse. I said All-Star caliber. Draymond was a legit DPOY candidate last year and in the MVP running this year. Yes, he's all-star caliber whether China votes him in or not. Bowen was a DPOY level player - all-star doesn't really care about that normally.

[Killakobe81]

Payton, Hood, Lavine, Šarić and Anderson are the easy picks. You could argue many more, especially bigs, but let's stick with those that are undeniable.

Hood, Lavine and Anderson

[DPG21920]

The fact Randle is on a bad team, had an injury and has a bad coach isn't a case for him improving. It's a big reason why I don't think he has a chance to become an outlier.

[DPG21920]

Hood, Lavine and Anderson

Hood & Lavine both look much better than Julius right now. I don't fault LA for the pick, but I wouldn't be laughing at any player with how Julius looks on both ends.

[RsxPiimp]

Deeps, whats your honest take on Clarkson?

[Raven]

Hood, Lavine and Anderson

So you'd have Randle rather than Rodney Hood?

[Killakobe81]

Wow. It's really hard to have a conversation with someone that doesn't really care . All of these excuses for Randle while simply ignoring the stats and what everything has shown us to this point.

SO i make a point it's an excuse but when you do it's a fact
how many games did Randle play his rookie year?
You admit the sample size is small but yet I am supposed to take that as gospel?
So you post in numerous threads that Kobe is a cancer a bad influence on his young team-mates and that Scott is bottom tier coach but none of that matters when comparing to Gordon?
Hard to argue with someone who fails to show consistency in their debates. So is Kobe having a bad effect on Randle or not?

[Killakobe81]

So you'd have Randle rather than Rodney Hood?

I dont think he is that good. I am laughing because no one would make that pick at the draft last year. Of course Hood and Lavine are playing better they have played in over 100 games Randle has played in 21 ...

Show me the scout expert etc that would have picked Hood or Anderson over Randle.

[DPG21920]

Killa, not hating on you, I actually like discussing basketball so it's nice. Sure it matters when comparing him to Gordon, but it's an excuse when he's not even doing well on the stuff he's supposed to already be good at. The coaching/kobe stuff is a big deal for what he can improve on for the future.

[Raven]

I dont think he is that good. I am laughing because no one would make that pick at the draft last year. Of course Hood and Lavine are playing better they have played in over 100 games Randle has played in 21 ...

Show me the scout expert etc that would have picked Hood or Anderson over Randle.

I can tell you I would have. Not only that, but I actually did draft both in my dinasty fantasy league. Randle was the most polarizing prospect of the draft for legitimate reasons that can easily be verified and were known back then too. So the only reason to draft him was a) you were ignorant of those facts b) you thought he could work around those.

[DPG21920]

Deeps, whats your honest take on Clarkson?

I really like him. He's been a huge surprise. He's showing a lot of good skills and an all around game. He has good athleticism and seems to have his head on right. He could be a solid player on a good team, but I have to watch him more closely.

[DMC]

I wouldn't say Randle is a bust, but I would say he's a bust for LA. Some other team might make an honest woman out of him.

[Killakobe81]

Killa, not hating on you, I actually like discussing basketball so it's nice. Sure it matters when comparing him to Gordon, but it's an excuse when he's not even doing well on the stuff he's supposed to already be good at. The coaching/kobe stuff is a big deal for what he can improve on for the future.

Same here Deeps, but sometimes you can be obtuse but when I do it ..you get frustrated.

Happy Holidays to you Deeps, Amb, EL and the Laker crew.

In the end I am glad he is still learning because we need to tank. I did like the 19 rebounds against the Wiz that is a positive sign. None of the players Raven mentioned have had that type of statistical impact as far as I recall but I dont watch the Magic or Jazz and slowmo barely gets enough run to approach 20 at any stat line ...

Anyway I had a light day cuz I was helping plan the office holiday party my schedule gets much crazier for the next couple weeks until XMAs ... when i have the week off.

[Raven]

Same here Deeps, but sometimes you can be obtuse but when I do it ..you get frustrated.

Happy Holidays to you Deeps, Amb, EL and the Laker crew.

In the end I am glad he is still learning because we need to tank. I did like the 19 rebounds against the Wiz that is a positive sign. None of the players Raven mentioned have had that type of statistical impact as far as I recall but I dont watch the Magic or Jazz and slowmo barely gets enough run to approach 20 at any stat line ...

Anyway I had a light day cuz I was helping plan the office holiday party my schedule gets much crazier for the next couple weeks until XMAs ... when i have the week off.

well you'd actually need to see the players play to see their potential, so it's normal, don't worry.

[Reck]

What a horrible take.
no one knows anything about these kids because Kobe wont let them shot and Byron's system is crappy.

Is it a horrible take because you dont like it? Me thinks so.