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    I know what you mean about the disease of Kobme being an opposite to Spurs philosophy. I agree. That said, Pop has since early 2013 at least been pushing for Kawhi to be more aggressive and defer less. I think we're seeing him do that as his skills improve. He certainly has been impressive, and Pop, for example, specifically called an isolation for Kawhi to win the Orlando game. This isn't a Kobe ignoring the coach and freelancing. This is what his coach wants.

    I guess we have to trust in Pop to pull it back if it goes too far. I doubt TD will say anything if it were.
    I'm with you on this one. I haven't seen one thing that makes me think Kawhi is goin rogue. He follows the game plan to the letter. He only seems to get aggressive coming out of time-outs. If anything, Pop wants him to freelance more.

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    My god you "player fans" are so ignorant.... Just support the team. If you just became a fan in the last 3-4 years, respect what happened before that.
    I've been a Spurs fan BEFORE Porker got drafted (I'm actually a Team Duncan fan, couldn't care less about Karl Malone's Admiral)......I'm paying respect to his 2003/2005 Finals performance which DIDN'T happen in the last 3-4 years maybe you are the newbie who started following the team in 2012 & thought Porker was always as good as 2012-13.

    Spurs have won ZERO les when Porker has been the best player on the team as indicated by win-shares. #facts

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    If Leonard isn't back by Wednesday then I'll start to worry.

    I know what you mean about the disease of Kobme being an opposite to Spurs philosophy. I agree. That said, Pop has since early 2013 at least been pushing for Kawhi to be more aggressive and defer less. I think we're seeing him do that as his skills improve. He certainly has been impressive, and Pop, for example, specifically called an isolation for Kawhi to win the Orlando game. This isn't a Kobe ignoring the coach and freelancing. This is what his coach wants.

    I guess we have to trust in Pop to pull it back if it goes too far. I doubt TD will say anything if it were.
    About a month back JVG who was calling the game talked a bit about this. He said Leonard was concerned he was shooting too much and Pop told him that he'd let him know when he was shooting too much. They want him to be more aggressive. Chris Webber talked about it too recently. That when Pop calls his number it's not always about scoring but creating an opportunity for the team.

    Pop will shut down any me ball. No worries there.

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    Hopefully it's nothing serious. But it wouldn't be a Spurs season without some Kawhi freak injury.

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    I predicated this exact scenario in the summer, so suffice it to say, I'm not surprised that Ginobili and Leonard are injured at the same time.

    I know they had limited resources after signing Aldridge, but this league is all about wing depth now. Leonard and Ginobili are injury prone and Ginobili is only good for about 20 mpg. Having a fourth, that's capable of being a third in this inevitable scenario, was/is essential. Instead, they've handcuffed themselves, with three players that are either not ready, not good enough, or not a good fit.

    Leonard might be back by the Suns game, but without Ginobili for a while and a bench light on perimeter talent, get ready for the inevitable slide, which leads to them having to holding off the Thunder for the 2 seed until the end or at least close to it.

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    Probably tweaked it on that monster dunk in ASG.

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    Bill Land thinks Kawhi will be out another two more games.

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    Bill Land thinks Kawhi will be out another two more games.

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    Unfortunately, this is what worries me. Calf injuries to anyone are notorious for lingering, and I do wish that Kawhi had not played in the AS game. However, every single player always wants to play in every single game. That is why Parker kept coming back when he should have (and wasn't helpful) in years past, it is why Manu was trying to play on a broken leg after our championship year, and why Brent Barry (and later Tiago) were less than helpful when they came back from calf injuries.

    I think they just HAVE to make him stay out. But we cannot expect to win many games if he is still out and LaMarcus doesn't show.

    Right now we are without Manu's playmaking in the second squad and without Kawhi's defense and offense in the first squad. We won't last too long without one or the other of them coming back full ability. Folks getting ticked off at people they have been calling 'scrubs' or 'mere role players' for the last several seasons is unhelpful, silly and reflective of a lack of understanding of the relative contributions from the team's members. We cannot win against the best teams without Kawhi and Manu in a 7 game series.
    Very good points overall. It will require a team effort and there will be losses among the way bc we have two guys who are injured that do a lot for the team and Kawhi is a genuine MVP candidate... not going to get it over Curry, but he's had an MVP caliber season.

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    Leonard might be back by the Suns game, but without Ginobili for a while and a bench light on perimeter talent, get ready for the inevitable slide, which leads to them having to holding off the Thunder for the 2 seed until the end or at least close to it.
    Not sure. I love and miss Manu but the Spurs have won 4 consecutive games without him and we should be fine w/o him in regular season. Statistically, Kawhi's the most impacful player and maybe the only one the Spurs can't afford to miss...

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    Not sure. I love and miss Manu but the Spurs have won 4 consecutive games without him and we should be fine w/o him in regular season. Statistically, Kawhi's the most impacful player and maybe the only one the Spurs can't afford to miss...
    Manu is important for the bench. Kawhi covered up a lot, but have you not seen the terrible games Simmons has been having?

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    Manu is important for the bench. Kawhi covered up a lot, but have you not seen the terrible games Simmons has been having?
    Obviously Manu's important. A lot. But the Spurs still won those games without him and Simms playing bad.

    But they can't win if Kawhi's out, and LMA/Parker/Diaw/Simms don't elevate their games. Against the Clips they missed Kawhi but also other two starters and two bench guys.

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    Pop is babying Kawhi. If this was the playoffs or if Kawhi was on another team/different coach he'd be playing. If Pop had Steph he would have sat him out until his shin was 100%.

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    They want him to be more aggressive.
    In fact, the Spurs need him to be more aggressive.

    Kawhi draws defensive attention and that makes his teammates lives easier this season. But he won't command much attention if he's not aggressive and stays glued to the corner most of game.

    Anyway, it's funny how people here underestimate Kawhi's offense and his impact on the game.

    So many "He should trot to the corner and wait" fans on ST...like if the Spurs could win a lot of games with him parking there.

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    2002: 4th quarter vs. Lakers: Porker unravels
    2003 vs. Suns: Gets treated like a by Marbury
    2003 comeback vs. Mavs: Porker on the bench
    2003 comeback vs. Nets: Porker on the bench
    2004 series vs Lakers: Porker disappears when the Lakers become physical
    2005 Finals: Gets treated like a by Billups
    2006 vs. Mavs: Can't outplay ROOKIE Devin Harris
    2008 vs. Lakers: Can't dominate old ass Fisher
    2010: Gets benched for George Hill
    2011: Locked up by Baby Conley
    2012: Gets shut down when Thabo switches onto him
    2013: Gets outscored by Chalmers in Gm 6/7
    2014 WCF: Gets showed up by CoJo & Reggie Miller states on national TV "The Spurs might win this game if Porker doesn't return"
    2014 Finals: 1-11 in the first 3 quarters of the championship clincher & proceeds to pad his stats after the Heat have waived the white flag
    2015: Worst series performance by a starting PG in the last 25 years while Choke-P3 is making clutch plays
    I think he was 0-15 tbh...

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    Rest him if he needs it. Remember Splitter's never ending calf problems last year? He was off, would come back for a few games then it would act up again. It lasted all season. If Kawhi's injury is real, let him heal up.
    This is the right decision. Let his body rest too.

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    This is the right decision. Let his body rest too.
    Exactly. We're not winning anything without a healthy Kawhi. It's more important than seeding, tbh.

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    For those comparing ter's calf injury to Kawhi's: Tiago had a sciatic nerve issue meanwhile Kawhi just has a tear in his calf muscle.

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    2002: 4th quarter vs. Lakers: Porker unravels
    2003 vs. Suns: Gets treated like a by Marbury
    2003 comeback vs. Mavs: Porker on the bench
    2003 comeback vs. Nets: Porker on the bench
    2004 series vs Lakers: Porker disappears when the Lakers become physical
    2005 Finals: Gets treated like a by Billups
    2006 vs. Mavs: Can't outplay ROOKIE Devin Harris
    2008 vs. Lakers: Can't dominate old ass Fisher
    2010: Gets benched for George Hill
    2011: Locked up by Baby Conley
    2012: Gets shut down when Thabo switches onto him
    2013: Gets outscored by Chalmers in Gm 6/7
    2014 WCF: Gets showed up by CoJo & Reggie Miller states on national TV "The Spurs might win this game if Porker doesn't return"
    2014 Finals: 1-11 in the first 3 quarters of the championship clincher & proceeds to pad his stats after the Heat have waived the white flag
    2015: Worst series performance by a starting PG in the last 25 years while Choke-P3 is making clutch plays
    It's raining truth bombs! Holy .

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    On Kawhi: Pop said he had an MRI on that calf. Nothing torn, but holding him out just to be safe #Spurs


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    On Kawhi: Pop said he had an MRI on that calf. Nothing torn, but holding him out just to be safe #Spurs

    good to hear..no need to rush your best player

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    On Kawhi: Pop said he had an MRI on that calf. Nothing torn, but holding him out just to be safe #Spurs

    That doesnt even make sense though. Lol

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    That doesnt even make sense though. Lol
    one of the few times i agree with Pop over-cautiousness..we have a couple of what should be gimme games coming and we are locked into that 2nd seed..no need to take chances..This team is ed without 100% Kawhi as you just saw..

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    Good news that its nothing torn... hopefully its a mild issue and he's been held out to prevent recurrence, cramps, or for it to become chronic. Better to be safe than sorry.

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    On Kawhi: Pop said he had an MRI on that calf. Nothing torn, but holding him out just to be safe #Spurs


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