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No, I'm not re ed.
The two are not the same. Are you re ed?
No, I'm not re ed.
It's shocking.
listen slick...you think that a re ed person could...analyze basketball????? know politics???? read???
sheeesh.
if I was re ed, how would I....
Top ten bluesmen who could have played football
1. BB King (offensive line)
2. Bo Didley (fullback)
3. Robert Johnson (wide receiver)
4. Stevie Ray Vaughn (quarterback)
5. Pee Pee the Kidnapperr (line backer)
6. Poopshoot Magoo (tight end)
7. Eddie Van Halen (left guard)
8. Common (slot back)
9. Don Dokken (center)
10. Kurt Russel (right tackle)
Well, you do think I somehow know you, and that you can come up with whatever you came up with, which does promote the idea you are a re .... so you are really not helping your case.
No I'm saying imagine a Jordan or pippen being able to hand check curry wherever they want him to goI'm done with this argument so don't bother quoting me. All the proof of the argument is still in the reference snippet I made. You guys still failed to mentions stats...so it really doesn't matter to me what you say if you can't back it up with real reasoning. I've been on too much forums too long to be so beta as to continuously argue my point in an indirect and insecure measuring contest of denial in which someone tries to one up me per George Carlin. Especially people who don't want to learn or back up with sources. There's always this random clique of people who never often check this nba forum who come in with their rage to quote me. They don't probably don't even know I'm a spurs fan...not that it would matter. This is directed anyone in advance and anyone right now.
I'll stop sounding like I'm insulting people anymore but sometimes.......SOMETIMES people get on my nerves here.
I'm not a genius or narcissistic about my arguments but I take perspective to make sure I'm solid. I know what I'm talking about but everyone makes mistakes.
I'll humor you guys though since I'm bored and have time.
@ Horse
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As I said, Jordan was an elite two way and two point player which was overall better than Curry. Jordan was an elite two point player but there's various ways to score two points. Curry has no size to post up smaller players (185 and 6"2). He can't even post up most point guards. Its an unfair comparison which is why comparisons like this always get your type of reaction. If you're going to compare the two, there will always be an physical disadvantage between the two which naturally leads these players to their style of play. Most of all, That isn't Curry's role. Its Harrison Barnes and Klay Thompson who has those type of plays set for them based off their offense. Curry is elite at what he can do given his natural intangibles and tangibles which is similar to what JJ Re did to stay in the league and to become the leagues best three point percentage shooter. Kawhi just passed him recently for percentage to lead the league. I remember it was close.
You say Jordan mastered the post. He did. I say Curry mastered the three point shot. He did. They are elite for reasons which is why this thread was made in the first place. Jordan could not shoot from anywhere as his three point percentage Boldly says. Don't sugarcoat it because its Jordan. For 9 seasons of his career, he shot less than 30 percent from three. For 5 of them, he shot less than 20%. JORDAN Could not shoot from anywhere on the court as efficiently as Curry could. You could have said the same thing I said. It wasn't Jordan's role to shoot threes. It was Paxson, Armstrong, Kukuc, Kerr, Harper, etc.
"Not to mention pussy curry wouldn't exist without toadys WNBA rules." This does not make an argument at all. That's sheer anger and hyperbole. If you're trying to infer that Curry gets to the line much, I'll tell you right now that He's not even top 20 in freethrow attempts. He's 23rd. He doesn't need nor depends on officiating to win games. Rather, teams foul him (various go uncalled) on threes, screens, and etc because they can't stop him. James Harden has double the the amount of free throw attempts and is a way tier player and terrible player to watch. Save your anger for players who fake flop, exaggerate contact. make cheap ass plays to get a reaction out of the officials. All these plays make basketball unbearable to watch. Players who all the time with a "no credit" reputation behind it are as ty as well. Players who use their off arm to get open attempts at the basket because that's ALWAYS an offensive foul even if the officials don't call. These players have no real skill to me which is why there's a difference between respect and quality when spectating them.
@ Kidd K
Curry is able to distribute the ball better 5.3 career assists career average for Jordan and 6.9 for Curry; end of story. You could say that Jordan wasn't a point guard. it wasn't his role to pass the damn ball but he did. He did it an above average rate than other shooting guards in league history and efficiently because of his elite dribbling skills. I don't remember saying that Curry was efficient at passing he is going to average more assists then him. I expect him to turnover the ball granted he's the point.
The Warriors play at a higher pace than any team during Jordan's era, which leads to a heavy amount of field goal attempts and more possessions to turnover the ball. The Bulls never played at the pace the Warriors did. The Bulls (72-10, Pace 91.1; 69-13, 90.0). The current Warriors play at a pace of 99.9 (14-15 98.3). The warriors already have almost twice as much three point field goal makes than the the 72-10 bulls(544 to 708). The Warriors will pass them in field goal attempts in about 17 games, give or take. They are currently 7th as a team in turnovers per game.
Curry also averages 19.8 field goal attempts per game which. This is why I said he's a combo guard and a shooting guard if you take the perspective of that position literally. Draymond Green also plays point guard to set up curry so Curry can play a shooting guard roll off curls, elevators, backdoor screens, and horns to set up Curry on multiple plays for threes which takes his assists down. Draymond already has 11 triple doubles this season for a reason. This keeps Curry's usage and assists down. Their team philosophy on offense is ball movement and movement without the ball; a hockey assist team.
Jordan had a usage of over 31.7 for 12 of 15 seasons he was in the league. 2 seasons were over 38%. One of them I mentioned earlier. Curry's highest usage was 33% and that's only this year. Every other percentage of usage was under 29%
Jordan averaged 28.2 on scoring his first year. He averaged 37.1 (38% Usage)his 3rd year which is ridiculous in these times. His three point shooting and free throw shooting however brought his true shooting down in those undisputed seasons. Curry since his third season has always had a true shooting above 58%. Didn't average the points though but more efficient on his sample size.
Curry's best true shooting is this season which is 67%; better than any true shooting Jordan has ever had in his career. His highest is 61% of all his seasons. Curry had a true shooting of 63% in 14-15 and 61% in 13-14; a sudden steep incline in efficiency.
What Jordan Truly trumps Curry without argument is defense. Jordan could guard any guard in the league. Not all positions I would say small forwards and guard. Curry can't guard the depth of point guards in the league and has to be hidden on other players. He's taken the challenge but has failed most of the time. Factoring his intangibles, he doesn't have the athleticism or the size to do so. Its not his role to defend the opponents best player. Its rather, someone else who has the athleticism, size, and length like Iggy, Thompson, or Green. They still have to hide Curry on defense against athletic point guards. Jordan had Pippen, Rodman, Harper himself. He had everything to stop his assignment and his natural abilities to his advantage. He won defensive player of the year, that says everything. He also steals the ball To stop opponents offenses. Curry can't block shots...but he can steal the ball. He won't average more steals than Jordan will.
As for 45% being a layup. That was hyperbole for how great of a shooter curry is but you took it literal to create an ad hominem. Good for you.
There's also knowledge and technology differences between these players era's that keep them from being compared properly. All teams today have analytics today.
I believe Curry and Jordan would dominate in each other's era's, even if they were switched because of their mental perseverance. The would continue to persist. Jordan and Curry despite their individual performances, needed their a cohesive brand of teammates to get the job done.
Curry is ruling the league in the day that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the league and three point percentage is getting crazy. The league has gotten crazy strategic and you can't get it done with one player.
Three point shooting trumps two point shooting when done right and efficiently which is what the Warriors are doing. The Warriors can go big if needed with Bogut and Ezeli but their small ball creates heavy spacing.
Curry would dominate a league that wasn't in love with the three point shot. The league had great three point shooters....but they did not shoot on the volume Curry did. Most of these players in the 90's don't even have half the amount of attempts that Curry had in single season. , it would take most of the best three point shooters from the 90's 2 to 4 seasons to make how many threes Curry has made in one season over that past four seasons Curry has been in the league. Teams would have to inevitably double him and the pace of the league would increase. Curry already is still dominating despite the adjustments made in the modern era. He shoots over people without thinking about it.
In fact...
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Curry is hitting a ridiculous 38.9% of his 3-points attempts after at least two dribbles, per NBAsavant.com. "
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/stephen-curry-video-games-nba-2k16
That's on an awful attempt for anyone else but himself.
Alright. I written to much. Whatever....submit
I hate harden a million time more than curry. I don't even hate curry. Just think it' silly at this point to even mention him among alltime greats.I'm done with this argument so don't bother quoting me. All the proof of the argument is still in the reference snippet I made. You guys still failed to mentions stats...so it really doesn't matter to me what you say if you can't back it up with real reasoning. I've been on too much forums too long to be so beta as to continuously argue my point in an indirect and insecure measuring contest of denial in which someone tries to one up me per George Carlin. Especially people who don't want to learn or back up with sources. There's always this random clique of people who never often check this nba forum who come in with their rage to quote me. They don't probably don't even know I'm a spurs fan...not that it would matter. This is directed anyone in advance and anyone right now.
I'll stop sounding like I'm insulting people anymore but sometimes.......SOMETIMES people get on my nerves here.
I'm not a genius or narcissistic about my arguments but I take perspective to make sure I'm solid. I know what I'm talking about but everyone makes mistakes.
I'll humor you guys though since I'm bored and have time.
@ Horse
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As I said, Jordan was an elite two way and two point player which was overall better than Curry. Jordan was an elite two point player but there's various ways to score two points. Curry has no size to post up smaller players (185 and 6"2). He can't even post up most point guards. Its an unfair comparison which is why comparisons like this always get your type of reaction. If you're going to compare the two, there will always be an physical disadvantage between the two which naturally leads these players to their style of play. Most of all, That isn't Curry's role. Its Harrison Barnes and Klay Thompson who has those type of plays set for them based off their offense. Curry is elite at what he can do given his natural intangibles and tangibles which is similar to what JJ Re did to stay in the league and to become the leagues best three point percentage shooter. Kawhi just passed him recently for percentage to lead the league. I remember it was close.
You say Jordan mastered the post. He did. I say Curry mastered the three point shot. He did. They are elite for reasons which is why this thread was made in the first place. Jordan could not shoot from anywhere as his three point percentage Boldly says. Don't sugarcoat it because its Jordan. For 9 seasons of his career, he shot less than 30 percent from three. For 5 of them, he shot less than 20%. JORDAN Could not shoot from anywhere on the court as efficiently as Curry could. You could have said the same thing I said. It wasn't Jordan's role to shoot threes. It was Paxson, Armstrong, Kukuc, Kerr, Harper, etc.
"Not to mention pussy curry wouldn't exist without toadys WNBA rules." This does not make an argument at all. That's sheer anger and hyperbole. If you're trying to infer that Curry gets to the line much, I'll tell you right now that He's not even top 20 in freethrow attempts. He's 23rd. He doesn't need nor depends on officiating to win games. Rather, teams foul him (various go uncalled) on threes, screens, and etc because they can't stop him. James Harden has double the the amount of free throw attempts and is a way tier player and terrible player to watch. Save your anger for players who fake flop, exaggerate contact. make cheap ass plays to get a reaction out of the officials. All these plays make basketball unbearable to watch. Players who all the time with a "no credit" reputation behind it are as ty as well. Players who use their off arm to get open attempts at the basket because that's ALWAYS an offensive foul even if the officials don't call. These players have no real skill to me which is why there's a difference between respect and quality when spectating them.
@ Kidd K
Curry is able to distribute the ball better 5.3 career assists career average for Jordan and 6.9 for Curry; end of story. You could say that Jordan wasn't a point guard. it wasn't his role to pass the damn ball but he did. He did it an above average rate than other shooting guards in league history and efficiently because of his elite dribbling skills. I don't remember saying that Curry was efficient at passing he is going to average more assists then him. I expect him to turnover the ball granted he's the point.
The Warriors play at a higher pace than any team during Jordan's era, which leads to a heavy amount of field goal attempts and more possessions to turnover the ball. The Bulls never played at the pace the Warriors did. The Bulls (72-10, Pace 91.1; 69-13, 90.0). The current Warriors play at a pace of 99.9 (14-15 98.3). The warriors already have almost twice as much three point field goal makes than the the 72-10 bulls(544 to 708). The Warriors will pass them in field goal attempts in about 17 games, give or take. They are currently 7th as a team in turnovers per game.
Curry also averages 19.8 field goal attempts per game which. This is why I said he's a combo guard and a shooting guard if you take the perspective of that position literally. Draymond Green also plays point guard to set up curry so Curry can play a shooting guard roll off curls, elevators, backdoor screens, and horns to set up Curry on multiple plays for threes which takes his assists down. Draymond already has 11 triple doubles this season for a reason. This keeps Curry's usage and assists down. Their team philosophy on offense is ball movement and movement without the ball; a hockey assist team.
Jordan had a usage of over 31.7 for 12 of 15 seasons he was in the league. 2 seasons were over 38%. One of them I mentioned earlier. Curry's highest usage was 33% and that's only this year. Every other percentage of usage was under 29%
Jordan averaged 28.2 on scoring his first year. He averaged 37.1 (38% Usage)his 3rd year which is ridiculous in these times. His three point shooting and free throw shooting however brought his true shooting down in those undisputed seasons. Curry since his third season has always had a true shooting above 58%. Didn't average the points though but more efficient on his sample size.
Curry's best true shooting is this season which is 67%; better than any true shooting Jordan has ever had in his career. His highest is 61% of all his seasons. Curry had a true shooting of 63% in 14-15 and 61% in 13-14; a sudden steep incline in efficiency.
What Jordan Truly trumps Curry without argument is defense. Jordan could guard any guard in the league. Not all positions I would say small forwards and guard. Curry can't guard the depth of point guards in the league and has to be hidden on other players. He's taken the challenge but has failed most of the time. Factoring his intangibles, he doesn't have the athleticism or the size to do so. Its not his role to defend the opponents best player. Its rather, someone else who has the athleticism, size, and length like Iggy, Thompson, or Green. They still have to hide Curry on defense against athletic point guards. Jordan had Pippen, Rodman, Harper himself. He had everything to stop his assignment and his natural abilities to his advantage. He won defensive player of the year, that says everything. He also steals the ball To stop opponents offenses. Curry can't block shots...but he can steal the ball. He won't average more steals than Jordan will.
As for 45% being a layup. That was hyperbole for how great of a shooter curry is but you took it literal to create an ad hominem. Good for you.
There's also knowledge and technology differences between these players era's that keep them from being compared properly. All teams today have analytics today.
I believe Curry and Jordan would dominate in each other's era's, even if they were switched because of their mental perseverance. The would continue to persist. Jordan and Curry despite their individual performances, needed their a cohesive brand of teammates to get the job done.
Curry is ruling the league in the day that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the league and three point percentage is getting crazy. The league has gotten crazy strategic and you can't get it done with one player.
Three point shooting trumps two point shooting when done right and efficiently which is what the Warriors are doing. The Warriors can go big if needed with Bogut and Ezeli but their small ball creates heavy spacing.
Curry would dominate a league that wasn't in love with the three point shot. The league had great three point shooters....but they did not shoot on the volume Curry did. Most of these players in the 90's don't even have half the amount of attempts that Curry had in single season. , it would take most of the best three point shooters from the 90's 2 to 4 seasons to make how many threes Curry has made in one season over that past four seasons Curry has been in the league. Teams would have to inevitably double him and the pace of the league would increase. Curry already is still dominating despite the adjustments made in the modern era. He shoots over people without thinking about it.
In fact...
"
Curry is hitting a ridiculous 38.9% of his 3-points attempts after at least two dribbles, per NBAsavant.com. "
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/stephen-curry-video-games-nba-2k16
That's on an awful attempt for anyone else but himself.
Alright. I written to much. Whatever....submit
Who the posted that wall of text. Nobody wants to read that .
translation...Spursforsix, are there any rasslers that could have played the blues?
how about....
1. Fritz Von Erich - guitar
2. The Spoiler - harmonica
3. Rick Flair - kettle drum
4. Junk Yard Dog - spoons
5. Pee Pee the Kidnapper - vocals
6. Harrison Ford - bass
7. Madonna - piano
8. Rastus Cornhole - clap hands
9. Chris Rock - tuba
10. James Vanderbeek - trumpet
I don't need stats, or rings; Steph is having the greatest season of all-time. Did you see him have a 92% EFG% in tonight's game? MJ didn't need the three to be great, but Steph is using it to be the Greatest of All-time. I'm still waiting for Steph to break the single-game three-point record, but I'll settle for another 10+ night; this is the fourth in his career, and the second in three weeks. He might get 70 on Saturday. Buckle up everyone. I am looking forward to his 60-50-95 season next seasons, tbh.
I already know you are re ed, no need to prove it further.
50 points with only 1 free throw attempt tonight
Hes not Jordan or Kobe yet, but hes on pace to join them at the top
I wonder when Jordan is gonna start acknowledging this and talk . You know it's coming.
True, he only talks down the really good players that he knows is a threat to his legacy. Generally have praise for those second third tier guys.
Yeah. I remember Jordan always praising Bibby
.. I mean Bibbyvwas MONEY off a screen, but still, still a tier 2 guy at his peak...
Nate Archibald was a better PG tbh. He played without the three, and during a time where the bigs knocked small guys out for going inside. Curry remains a fabrication of the current NBA game.
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