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funny how now one wants to discuss attacks by terrorist even before our invasion of iraq, were they embolden then by what? Probably the same hate they have always had for us..
Heh, wife wants the computer, and I need to get to homework. Ah the joys of pension plan accounting and audit planning...
Laters.
funny how now one wants to discuss attacks by terrorist even before our invasion of iraq, were they embolden then by what? Probably the same hate they have always had for us..
[QUOTE]I don't recall a major terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11 so to this point I'm not fooling myself.
How are we training them? (The questions rhetorical, meaning your response would probably sicken me).We are fighting them over there and training them so that they can come over here and kill more civilians. There are a BILLION muslims, most of whom are appalled at what is going on there.
So all 1 billion muslims are predisposed to becoming fanatical Islamist Extremists? Are they an inferior class of people that you would think so little of them?The fighting there is moving the line that separates those who actively choose to participate in a misguided jihad and those who merely sympathize with it. When that line starts moving, the chances of some cell somewhere successfully attacking us on our own soil increases, because there are a BILLION potential recruits just waiting..
The fighting over there is solidifying the resolve of the Islamists who covet freedom (engendered human trait) and see their so called "Muslim Brothers" killing other Muslims while foreign soldiers are simultaneously sacrificing their lives for their freedom.
You'd have to be a certified lunatic to argue this!
Saddam allegedly gave money to Palestianian suicide bombers families who's homes were subsequently demolished by the Israelis, but there is no proof that Saddam or Iraq supplied or participated in international terrorism.
There is proof that he commited mass murder. Which is an international crime.
Including the bodies... do ents , witnesses etc.
Hey but who cares as long as he only gasses one small down big deal right?
Some would say that there is also some proof that our own leaders may have committed international crimes.
But who cares as long as it's not against American citizens, right?
This coming from a AWOL * supporter!Oh I agree...their leaders are too cowardly to do the suicide bombings and risk their own lives.
What are you smoking? The message countries like Iran and North Korea got is it doesn't matter whether you comply the with the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty and/or I.A.E.A. inspections because if we really want to invade you, we will manufacture all the evidence we need anyway.You see the message that was sent with the fall of Iraq is...if you don't improve your social programs and stop pointing the finger at us we are going to take your country from you.
And more importantly...we are crawling up Iran's ass in every direction...we have much more ability to put pressure on them than we did before...if they think Bush has the balls to come down on them...there is no doubt Bush has done his part to send the message that these guys need to fear him...and there is also no doubt that our anti-wars have undermined that message and given them hope...
Yeah, it's all the Anti-war movement's fault. This is because the Iranians can't figure it out for themselves that the Iraq war has depleted the morale of our active-duty fighting force and just about killed our Reserves and National Guard.
Fox NewsWASHINGTON Military families and others defending the war in Iraq took their turn Sunday to demonstrate on the National Mall (search), if in much smaller numbers, and counter the massive protest against the war a day earlier.
About 100 people had gathered before a stage set up on the eastern portion of the mall as the noon rally began. A large photo of an American flag served as a backdrop for the stage, and country music blared from speakers while other banners and signs proclaiming support for U.S. troops waved in the breeze.
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"We're hoping for more folks," said Kristinn Taylor, a leader of FreeRepublic.com , one of the sponsors. "People have been fired up over the past month, especially military family members, and they want to be heard."
Earlier, Taylor said organizers were prepared for 20,000 people to attend the pro-military rally , billed as a time to honor the troops fighting "the war on terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere around the world."
RG, I am posting a link I think you and others who think Iraq is going to in a handbasket should, but will you, read.
http://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/
There is just too many pages of how things are going right to put on the site. Be prepared to have a long read; because, there are many pages of stuff going right. Enjoy. One thing, Chrenkoff is not a reporter, he searches out this information. But he did live under Communist rule and he is not an American nor Bush Man.
Random Guy is an intelligence analyst extraordinaire; you don't think he's seen these reports?
yeah, I forgot!
He is Intelligent.
[QUOTE=jochhejaam]You are if you think that the invasion of Iraq had anything to do with this. As I stated, the invasion of Iraq has made it arguably MORE likely that we will experience more attacks than there would have been had we NOT gone there.
I don't recall a major terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11 so to this point I'm not fooling myself.
[QUOTE=jochhejaam]We are providing them the opportunity to build bombs, command "troops" and everthing involved in that. We are providing them valuable networking opportunities by dint of those who hate us most have a very obvious destination: Iraq. I would hope this response sickens you as much as it does me. The truth of our mistake and the consequences of the piss-poor planning involved in this so far should sicken anyone.
How are we training them? (The questions [sic] rhetorical, meaning your response would probably sicken me).
[QUOTE=jochhejaam]Not all billion muslims are predisposed, obviously. They are as diverse as any poplulation of such a size are.So all 1 billion muslims are predisposed to becoming fanatical Islamist Extremists? Are they an inferior class of people that you would think so little of them?
The fighting over there is solidifying the resolve of the Islamists who covet freedom (engendered human trait) and see their so called "Muslim Brothers" killing other Muslims while foreign soldiers are simultaneously sacrificing their lives for their freedom.
You'd have to be a certified lunatic to argue this!
BUT
1) There is a percentage of this population that are completely dedicated to our destruction.
2) There is a further percentage of this billion that sypathize with group #1 but don't actually do anything.
The more you provide group #1 with pictures from Abu Gharaib to show group #2, the more you get people moving from group #2 into group #1.
Those pictures are recruiting gold to our enemies, and a huge wedge with our allies.
The ONLY hope we have is that the people in group #2 have the sense to realize that the people in group #1 really aren't good muslims and are little more than violent thugs who turn their back on the teachings of Mohammed. Violent, indescriminate attacks do that exactly, and it is that kind of thing that may be the only saving grace of the slaughter in Iraq.
The BIG problem is that the "muslim street" has pretty much thought of us as enemies for a long time because of our support for Israel.
The nutjobs get something of a free ride because they are nominally muslims, and we get pilloried for relatively minor things.
We have to do ten times the good to make one step towards the better in opinion, and get set back two when we mess up. Not fair, but it IS a reality (among so many others) that this administration seems incapable of understanding.
I have indeed.
Chrenkoff has a VERY good point when he says that the positive results in Iraq and Afghanistan are "the often under-reported and overlooked".
They are.
It is a simple fact of modern journalism that stories of, say, a new sewer line opening in a neighborhood that has never had anything but an open trench aren't quite as sexy as body counts.
It is NOT my contention that Iraq is "going to in a handbasket". I would say that it is teetering at the brink, but that I am slightly optimistic for many of the reasons listed in that long compendium.
BUT
Neither will I blind myself, as this administration and it's blithely ignorant supporters do, of the dangers and negative aspects.
Anyone who says they know what will happen in Iraq in the next 10 years is full of . It is simply too unstable, with too many variables at play.
Everything listed in that link is PART of the overall truth. Just as all the bombings, assassinations, and torture are PART of the overall truth.
Intelligence work, like any other analytical work, is taking ALL of the available information and trying to make sense of it in some rational, logical way.
Administration spin is a dangerous thing, because so many accept it as the 100% truth, suspend their critical thinking, and come away making faulty decisions on the efficacy of Bush policies.
No one with good critical thinking skills thinks that they can listen to one side of a story and come away with the full truth.
Why did we not take out Pol Pot then?
He killed millions.
There are plenty of other brutal dictators and countries crying out for justice, but we ignored, and continue to ignore them.
, if we invaded the Sudan, I would be all for that, provided it was done to SOME level of planning. Iraq demonstrated exactly what can go wrong when there isn't any planning for a post-war phase. My problem with Iraq is that the reasoning given was played up for public consumption to a degree that verges on criminal, and then that it was executed with a level of negligence that easily passes into the criminal.
Thank you.
And how many of those 2000 could have been saved if GW and company had planned the war better?
A few more armored vehicles would have saved hundreds of servicemembers.
Keeping some of the security forces in place rather than disbanding hundreds of thousands of soldiers and police all at once could have saved us from some of the burden of security and doubtless saved hundreds more.
Both of these things were easy things to predict IF you know what you are getting into.
GW is clueless and people die. That is why we can't afford "average" in our commander in chief.
"Gee he's so likable, and he's a decent guy." We aren't paying him to be decent, we are paying him to be competant, and he has proven to me long ago that he isn't.
As I stated inarguably, "I don't recall a major terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11 so to this point".Posted by RandomGuy: You are if you think that the invasion of Iraq had anything to do with this. As I stated, the invasion of Iraq has made it arguably MORE likely that we will experience more attacks than there would have been had we NOT gone there.
They didn't have the opportunity to build bombs until we invaded?We are providing them the opportunity to build bombs,
Bin Laden isolated, without communications network, Pakistanis sayWe are providing them valuable networking opportunities
Al Qaeda leader using couriers to deliver messages,
By Sadaqat Jan
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Monday, September 26, 2005
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Osama bin Laden is hiding out with a small core of mainly Arab supporters, and the al Qaeda leader sends messages only by courier because his communications network has been destroyed,
http://www.statesman.com/news/conten...341ed005f.html
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Posted by jochhejaam: The questions [sic] rhetorical
Just thought I'd join in the fun.Posted by RandomGuy: They are as diverse as any poplulation [sic] of such a size are [sic]
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Posted by RandomGuy: They are as diverse as any poplulation [sic] of such a size are [sic]
Just thought I'd join in the fun.
(laughs)
Touche.
With the obvious implication that the attack in Iraq has made us somehow safer, yes or no?
Not in combat conditions, not in such large numbers, and not with the ability to train all the other nutjobs that have been attracted to a single place.
Central and southern Iraq is singularly one of the least secure places on the planet, and was made so directly through our actions in invading them.
And this is related to Iraq how?
Oprah: The MusicalOprah: The Musical
by Gina Serpe
Sep 26, 2005, 10:35 AM PT
It all comes full circle for "O."
Oprah Winfrey is adding Broadway producer and real estate mogul to her ever-expanding resume.
The hostess with the mostess has invested more than $1 million to become the prime producer of the Broadway-bound musical, The Color Purple. Winfrey's substantial contribution earns the daytime diva her first Broadway credit.
The above news excerpt has as much to do with Iraq as yours does.
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Originally Posted by jochhejaam As I stated inarguably, "I don't recall a major terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11 so to this point". .
I don't see anything im my post about the attack in Iraq so where's the obvious implication?
Intelligence Analyst analyzes with imaginary information?
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