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    And welcome to the world in which individual rights are in constant readjustment with the good of the whole. Well organized Totalitarian states are very good at snuffing this stuff out.

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    And welcome to the world in which individual rights are in constant readjustment with the good of the whole. Well organized Totalitarian states are very good at snuffing this stuff out.
    It's inevitable if the attacks keep increasing. Panic is setting in.

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    It's inevitable if the attacks keep increasing. Panic is setting in.
    The pendulum swings towards the good of the whole. (I will say from what I have read Belgium was extraordinarily lax and did not let other more experienced intelligence agencies from other countries help out after the French incident led to Belgium roots.)

    So I get my crotch grabbed again in the airport by female security.

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    Muslim leaders in the West need to wrest this mantle away and rewrite the tenets of Islam. Otherwise this will not end well.
    These terrorists aren't being radicalized by Muslim leaders in the West. There have been countless efforts by Western Muslim leaders, particularly in America, to denounce terrorism and engage with their communities. There might even be more if every time they had an event to do so, they weren't greeted by a bunch of protesters accusing them of bringing Sharia Law to the US.

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    The pendulum swings towards the good of the whole. (I will say from what I have read Belgium was extraordinarily lax and did not let other more experienced intelligence agencies from other countries help out after the French incident led to Belgium roots.)

    So I get my crotch grabbed again in the airport by female security.
    A big issue with increasing security is cost. Conservatives want to increase it heavily without increasing taxes or cutting other spending while the other side doesn't want to get rid en lement/welfare programs in order to cover the costs, but instead want to increase further taxes.

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    These terrorists aren't being radicalized by Muslim leaders in the West. There have been countless efforts by Western Muslim leaders, particularly in America, to denounce terrorism and engage with their communities. There might even be more if every time they had an event to do so, they weren't greeted by a bunch of protesters accusing them of bringing Sharia Law to the US.
    Alot of these ers get trained overseas or radicalized in places like Saudi Arabia, Chechyna, Afghanistan, and now Syria and come back home and try to start . It's not a real big issue in the States since most Muslims assimilate fairly well, but Europe is a different problem since those countries tend to be more segregated in nature and still find it acceptable to throw bananas on the soccer field when they see a black player. Muslim leaders in the States aren't a problem, but I do think there are mosques in Europe which have radical elements.

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    I read an interesting article earlier today in a mailer from Hillsdale college, as I am one of their donors, and subscribers:

    http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/islam-facts-or-dreams/

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    A big issue with increasing security is cost. Conservatives want to increase it heavily without increasing taxes or cutting other spending while the other side doesn't want to get rid en lement/welfare programs in order to cover the costs, but instead want to increase further taxes.
    The overriding theme that I already mentioned comes with all sorts of costs.

    With the ability to communicate so easily, the ease of making devices that can kill large numbers of people, and the World's population distributed heavily in large urban areas, expectations of security might have to change.

    We had a neighbor kid build a device for fun that put a hole in the asphalt street upon mixing. The entire neighborhood heard it. He got ingredients from the same company TOGETHER that should have raised huge warning flags and never been sent. I kinda hope his parents are on a list as he used their credit card.

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    It's inevitable if the attacks keep increasing. Panic is setting in.
    Are you panicking?

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    I read an interesting article earlier today in a mailer from Hillsdale college, as I am one of their donors, and subscribers:

    http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/islam-facts-or-dreams/
    I read the article. I do disagree that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the government. That's proven to be a myth and outright lie to associate Obama as a Muslim.

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    I'm not, but people will start to and some already have. Trump is playing to those people who are scared and angry. I do think it's an issue that needs to be addressed without any impunity domestically and abroad (with the help of other countries). But there are people who will view brown skin folks with tons of su ion.

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    The overriding theme that I already mentioned comes with all sorts of costs.

    With the ability to communicate so easily, the ease of making devices that can kill large numbers of people, and the World's population distributed heavily in large urban areas, expectations of security might have to change.

    We had a neighbor kid build a device for fun that put a hole in the asphalt street upon mixing. The entire neighborhood heard it. He got ingredients from the same company TOGETHER that should have raised huge warning flags and never been sent. I kinda hope his parents are on a list as he used their credit card.
    Was it a Muslim kid?

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    We had a neighbor kid build a device for fun that put a hole in the asphalt street upon mixing. The entire neighborhood heard it. He got ingredients from the same company TOGETHER that should have raised huge warning flags and never been sent. I kinda hope his parents are on a list as he used their credit card.

    Maybe he was just making a clock?

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    Was it a Muslim kid?
    Lilly white Christian.

    We pay for agencies to be able to follow lists of chemicals that should not be bought in tandem.

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    Maybe he was just making a clock?
    It was a good one.

    The entire neighborhood was able to coordinate its WTF?

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    The Nazis spoke for the vast majority of Germans.

    Does ISIS and other Islamic terrorist groups speak for the vast majority of Islam?

    , ISIS does not even speak for the other terrorists groups, they go at each other if given the chance.
    The Nazis are associated with fascism, wars of conquest and mass genocide (among other atrocities).

    These are things that the "vast majority" of Germans did NOT want. But in a fascist totalitarian state like Nazi Germany, the actual will of the people is usually an afterthought.

    ISIS of course does not represent the vast majority of Islam. But many in the west are inclined to blame it on Islam because Muslims and Muslim leaders, especially in countries that should be taking military action against ISIS, seem to do relatively little to stand up to it. There are so many Muslims and yet you see and hear relatively little condemnation or action taken up against ISIS.

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    Erdohitler may be not buying ISIS oil but his family is sure distributing it. The columns of thousands if tankers moving to and from Syria are what? A joke?

    Turkish military hospitals are also treating injured jihadists that cross the border for help
    We're back here again? Anything other than sputnik.com to support this?

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    you're less responses are as verbose as Darrin's -tied-ness.

    USA/UK started terrorizing Muslim countries, now they are getting terrorized in return.

    But it's the Koran's fault!

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    The Nazis are associated with fascism, wars of conquest and mass genocide (among other atrocities).

    These are things that the "vast majority" of Germans did NOT want. But in a fascist totalitarian state like Nazi Germany, the actual will of the people is usually an afterthought.

    ISIS of course does not represent the vast majority of Islam. But many in the west are inclined to blame it on Islam because Muslims and Muslim leaders, especially in countries that should be taking military action against ISIS, seem to do relatively little to stand up to it. There are so many Muslims and yet you see and hear relatively little condemnation or action taken up against ISIS.
    There's condemnation in this country from Muslim leaders. I'm not sure in Europe where there is more radicalized folks. The Middle Eastern countries don't have enough man power to take out ISIS on their own outside of Egypt perhaps. The only legitimate Muslim countries who could really take out ISIS are Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, and maybe Indonesia.

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    lol all germans in the 40's wanted to commit mass genocide

    lol

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    There's condemnation in this country from Muslim leaders. I'm not sure in Europe where there is more radicalized folks. The Middle Eastern countries don't have enough man power to take out ISIS on their own outside of Egypt perhaps. The only legitimate Muslim countries who could really take out ISIS are Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, and maybe Indonesia.
    Saudi Arabia could take out ISIS in Iraq and in Syria almost single-handedly if it wanted to.

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    lol all germans in the 40's wanted to commit mass genocide

    lol
    Get a history lesson. Many Germans didn't even know about it.

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    Get a history lesson. Many Germans didn't even know about it.
    did you see the part where i said "lol" twice?

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    I do blame the Nazis.

    They were the people who killed other people.

    I don't blame Mein Kampf.

    Do you understand?

    Yes or no.
    your textual/literal approach to this forum would make scalia proud

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    did you see the part where i said "lol" twice?
    I thought you were mocking my statement. Sorry, it was not clear.

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