Spurs should absolutely trade for MCW

[Spurs9]

I'd rather have Shabazz Naier over him, or Jack McClinton

[Captivus]

Lets get Linsanity and continue the international trend!

[NameLess Scrub]

Tony Parker will never leave the Spurs. The only way I see is via one of those buy outs in which the player just comes back to the he was bought out for less money.

Also, based on this thread, I'm having a hard time seeing how MCW is still in the NBA.

[elbamba]

Why would Atlanta trade an all star in Teague for Mills and Diaw?

[Captivus]

Also, based on this thread, I'm having a hard time seeing how MCW is still in the NBA.

+1

Per 36...13.6PPG / 6APG / 6RPG....at $2.4M.....well....

[Chinook]

+1

Per 36...13.6PPG / 6APG / 6RPG....at $2.4M.....well....

And with a -1.24 RPM. That's twice as bad as Parker's.

[Captivus]

And with a -1.24 RPM. That's twice as bad as Parker's.

Not only that...
SA averages 10.6 pts more than the opponent (TP -0.63)
MIL averages -4,1 pts less than the opponent (MCW -1,24)

In case there are any doubts..im being ironic...who knows if MCW could perform in SA...but I like how some are 100% sure he cant...maybe he should retire!

[NameLess Scrub]

+1

Per 36...13.6PPG / 6APG / 6RPG....at $2.4M.....well....

And with a -1.24 RPM. That's twice as bad as Parker's.

What if he went through a montage time with Chip, Kawhi, and Rocky? You think he would earn an NBA/Spurs spot then?

[Chinook]

but I like how some are 100% sure he cant

This is like my least-favorite argument ever. No one, no one, no one knows for sure if he would bust. That's just the widely held opinion. We all know that these are opinions, so it makes no sense when someone runs in here and critiques people for not explicitly saying "in my opinion" or "I believe". Conversations get really hard when people have to go out of their way to explicate things that we already assumed, anyway.

[look_at_g_shred]

I like MCW but he's not starter material on a contender. We need someone who is better than Tony, and MCW isn't that. MCW for Mills straight up? Now I can definitely live with that.

[sasaint]

Great discussion, everyone.

I don't think he's a wing - I think he's a project who could split time at the point with TP, and hopefully take over as starter if his shot improves and his all around play develops as happens with so many Spurs projects. For the cost of Mills and a pick, I think he's worth two cheap years to see what our development staff could make of him.

If not him, Teague makes sense (but do we have anything the Hawks want?), or Collison (always an intriguing player who never reached his potential due to a long-term core injury he had fixed before this season... but then the Rondo Contract Tour derailed his opportunity)... or Conley if they'll take TP back (even though we know neither team will do this, I'll put it in for Manu4Tres ).

Can you think of anyone else who makes sense? George Hill back from Indy?

I do not see Rondo's returning to Sactown, but if he were to, Collison might be obtained. OTOH, if Rondo leaves, Collison projects as the Kings' starter. If he couldn't be their starter, how could he be ours? It will be interesting to see what changes are wrought by the Kings' new coaching staff.

[sasaint]

I like MCW but he's not starter material on a contender. We need someone who is better than Tony, and MCW isn't that. MCW for Mills straight up? Now I can definitely live with that.

I do not like Mills for MCW. We need more offense - especially 3-point shooting. Mills is more likely to regain his stroke than MCW is to gain one in the first place. I would trade our trash, Diaw, for theirs, MCW, but no mas.

[Kawhitstorm]

I do not see Rondo's returning to Sactown, but if he were to, Collison might be obtained. OTOH, if Rondo leaves, Collison projects as the Kings' starter. If he couldn't be their starter, how could he be ours? It will be interesting to see what changes are wrought by the Kings' new coaching staff.

Collison is a terrible defender, dude is K-Mart status.

[Kawhitstorm]

MCW is too damned old to be a project. Dude can't shoot a lick and will be 25 next season. You keep that dude as far away from the Spurs' rotation as possible. There are too many 6-4 to 6-7 PGs coming out or already in the league to still be infatuated with this one.

Evan Turner says "Hi": http://bkref.com/tiny/3C2Gn

[SD126]

Phily needs PG, they have a lot of cap space, and they are not winning next 2 years. It could valueable time for them to find PG in the future, since all their assets are SF, PF, C.

Only guy semi-worthy is Covington but Spurs wouldn't have an interest in SFs who put overinflated, empty stats on a team that has been the worst in all of team sports. Some in here want Noel's low BBIQ on the team because he's "athletic" and "a center"... but all that said, they're not paying a PG 30 million over 2 years who is decking and declining fast. And GlutTony Porker isn't getting traded.

[sasaint]

Collison is a terrible defender, dude is K-Mart status.

Couldn't be that bad! His PER is not TURRIBLE. It is in the top 20 for PGs, iirc. How does Ramon Sessions strike you?

You should work up a 1st and 2nd team All-NBA Worst Defenders.

[palangi]

This is like my least-favorite argument ever. No one, no one, no one knows for sure if he would bust. That's just the widely held opinion. We all know that these are opinions, so it makes no sense when someone runs in here and critiques people for not explicitly saying "in my opinion" or "I believe". Conversations get really hard when people have to go out of their way to explicate things that we already assumed, anyway.

Problem is some arrogantly believe their OPINION is fact though. So it does need to be said.

[palangi]

Only guy semi-worthy is Covington but Spurs wouldn't have an interest in SFs who put overinflated, empty stats on a team that has been the worst in all of team sports. Some in here want Noel's low BBIQ on the team because he's "athletic" and "a center"... but all that said, they're not paying a PG 30 million over 2 years who is decking and declining fast. And GlutTony Porker isn't getting traded.

Jerami Grant would be one to look at. He is a defensive wing that has good corner 3 potential. Can guard the 2,3, and 4 spots.

[palangi]

MCW is too damned old to be a project. Dude can't shoot a lick and will be 25 next season. You keep that dude as far away from the Spurs' rotation as possible. There are too many 6-4 to 6-7 PGs coming out or already in the league to still be infatuated with this one.

24 going on 25 is too old for a prospect now? No way. Not every prospect has to be 18. I don't get your insistance on this being fact (your opinion) Ginobili was 24 when he finially came over to the spurs. I'm not saying that is who MCW is, I know you will try to take it here. But I am saying you can still develop at 24. It's not too old.

[T Park]

1. He's available - Freak is their PG now.

2. Very tradable salary at 2.4 mil.

3. Mills and 1st for MCW and Damian Inglis (Fenchie 3/4, fits here well).

4. Chip works a miracle on his shooting and makes him an average shooter, then suddenly we have a killer perimeter defense with MCW-Green-Kawhi. Who can get through that?

5. All MCW has to do on O is get the ball to LMA/Kawhi, hit the odd open shot, slash a bit, and crash the O boards (something he's great at).

6. Parker shifts to 6th man, kills opposing benches.

7. We use capspace on a rebounder/shotblocker that we desperately need.

Spurs need spacers and you've traded one of our best shooters for the top five worst shooter in the league.

[palangi]

Spurs need spacers and you've traded one of our best shooters for the top five worst shooter in the league.

It's funny to see some over react to make a point. worst 5? Seriously? Do teams do a hack a MCW? Anyone could easily think of 5 worse shooters in the league off the top of their head.
Tell me are we suppose to be impressed with the awesomeness of Mills 27% 3 point shooting against the thunder in the playoffs? how about his 4.2 ppg in that series too? How about he didn't even attempt 1 FREAKING free throw? Yeah he is a scoring and shooting threat!
But it was pretty sensational of you break that out.

[TheDoctor]

[Kawhitstorm]

Couldn't be that bad! His PER is not TURRIBLE. It is in the top 20 for PGs, iirc.

He's quick/feisty like Patty but he has no defensive awareness like K-Mart.

Offensively, he's a better penetrator than 34 yr old Porker & just as good a shooter as post shoulder surgery Patty. Considering that Porker ain't exactly a lockdown defender, I would mind Collison being the starter but that team isn't getting out of the 2nd rd. (Although, he would be an upgrade over Patty)

As far as his PER, Mario Chalmers had a better PER than Collison this season.

[sasaint]

He's quick/feisty like Patty but he has no defensive awareness like K-Mart.

Offensively, he's a better penetrator than 34 yr old Porker & just as good a shooter as post shoulder surgery Patty. Considering that Porker ain't exactly a lockdown defender, I would mind Collison being the starter but that team isn't getting out of the 2nd rd. (Although, he would be an upgrade over Patty)

As far as his PER, Mario Chalmers had a better PER than Collison this season.

I don't see us getting out of the 2nd round next season anyway. In this year's crop of FA PGs, I really don't see anybody that moves the needle for us. I don't like spending the big money that re-treads like Conley and Teague will likely command, and I don't see any younger guys that I would be excited for the Spurs to bring aboard. A trade seems to be the only way we can get a young veteran PG that will have any real impact at all. I know you like MCW, but I'm hoping we can get somebody with a little better shot.

Perhaps the Durant rumors were only a smoke screen, and the Spurs are really focused on going after Westbrick next off-season.

[james evans]

I was thinking about this the other day. Big pg, that passes good, rebounds well, and has given GS fits this season. I would love to have him.