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    Limbaugh slammed the President for this selection so I'm not sure it bodes well for ultra-conservatives.
    I thought I heard recently that 35 SCJ's had not worn the juducial robe prior to being nominated to the SC. That being the case, as many have already stated, it's not something that would lend support to those who would oppose her.

    "She can't separate the forest from the trees," says one former White House staffer.





    President Bush tries to help her overcome those allegations.

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    Can This Nomination Be Justified?

    By George F. Will
    Wednesday, October 5, 2005

    Senators beginning what ought to be a protracted and exacting scrutiny of Harriet Miers should be guided by three rules.

    First, it is not important that she be confirmed.

    Second, it might be very important that she not be.

    Third, the presumption -- perhaps rebuttable but certainly in need of rebutting -- should be that her nomination is not a defensible exercise of presidential discretion to which senatorial deference is due.

    It is not important that she be confirmed because there is no evidence that she is among the leading lights of American jurisprudence, or that she possesses talents commensurate with the Supreme Court's tasks.

    The president's "argument" for her amounts to: Trust me. There is no reason to, for several reasons.

    He has neither the inclination nor the ability to make sophisticated judgments about competing approaches to construing the Cons ution. Few presidents acquire such abilities in the course of their pre-presidential careers, and this president particularly is not disposed to such reflections.

    Furthermore, there is no reason to believe that Miers's nomination resulted from the president's careful consultation with people capable of such judgments. If 100 such people had been asked to list 100 individuals who have given evidence of the reflectiveness and excellence requisite in a justice, Miers's name probably would not have appeared in any of the 10,000 places on those lists.

    In addition, the president has forfeited his right to be trusted as a custodian of the Cons ution. The forfeiture occurred March 27, 2002, when, in a private act betokening an uneasy conscience, he signed the McCain-Feingold law expanding government regulation of the timing, quan y and content of political speech. The day before the 2000 Iowa caucuses he was asked -- to ensure a considered response from him, he had been told in advance that he would be asked -- whether McCain-Feingold's core purposes are uncons utional. He unhesitatingly said, "I agree." Asked if he thought presidents have a duty, pursuant to their oath to defend the Cons ution, to make an independent judgment about the cons utionality of bills and to veto those he thinks uncons utional, he briskly said, "I do."

    It is important that Miers not be confirmed unless, in her 61st year, she suddenly and unexpectedly is found to have hitherto undisclosed interests and talents pertinent to the court's role. Otherwise the sound principle of substantial deference to a president's choice of judicial nominees will dissolve into a rationalization for senatorial abdication of the duty to hold presidents to some standards of seriousness that will prevent them from reducing the Supreme Court to a private plaything useful for fulfilling whims on behalf of friends.

    The wisdom of presumptive opposition to Miers's confirmation flows from the fact that cons utional reasoning is a talent -- a skill acquired, as intellectual skills are, by years of practice sustained by intense interest. It is not usually acquired in the normal course of even a fine lawyer's career. The burden is on Miers to demonstrate such talents, and on senators to compel such a demonstration or reject the nomination.

    Under the rubric of "diversity" -- nowadays, the first refuge of intellectually disreputable impulses -- the president announced, surely without fathoming the implications, his belief in iden y politics and its tawdry corollary, the idea of categorical representation. Iden y politics holds that one's essential attributes are genetic, biological, ethnic or chromosomal -- that one's nature and understanding are decisively shaped by race, ethnicity or gender. Categorical representation holds that the interests of a group can be understood, empathized with and represented only by a member of that group.

    The crowning absurdity of the president's wallowing in such nonsense is the obvious assumption that the Supreme Court is, like a legislature, an ins ution of representation. This from a president who, introducing Miers, deplored judges who "legislate from the bench."

    Minutes after the president announced the nomination of his friend from Texas, another Texas friend, Robert Jordan, former ambassador to Saudi Arabia, was on Fox News proclaiming what he and, no doubt, the White House that probably enlisted him for advocacy, considered glad and relevant tidings: Miers, Jordan said, has been a victim. She has been, he said contentedly, "discriminated against" because of her gender.

    Her victimization was not so severe that it prevented her from becoming the first female president of a Texas law firm as large as hers, president of the State Bar of Texas and a senior White House official. Still, playing the victim card clarified, as much as anything has so far done, her credentials, which are her chromosomes and their supposedly painful consequences.

    For this we need a conservative president?

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    Misunderestimated again...even by his own party this time.

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    Rumor has it Bush had no intention of nominating a hard core conservative because he knows that if Roe vs Wade was ever over turned it would be the end of the republican party. If he were really serious about his "right to life" stance this was his golden opportunity to act on it and he didn't even try.

    Misunderstood my ass. Conservatives talk good talk but won't walk the walk.

    Bush just proved it.

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    The forfeiture occurred March 27, 2002, when, in a private act betokening an uneasy conscience, he signed the McCain-Feingold law expanding government regulation of the timing, quan y and content of political speech.=====[excerpt from boutons post]

    This fool equates money with free speech.
    I find THAT idea morally repugnant. I can give a little on some things to the conservative point of view, but this is one where I really believe that this idea is evil.

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    Perhaps you are the fool. If I want to devote however much to a political cause, that's my choice, not yours.

    But, I know, freedom for you and not for me.

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    "his "right to life" stance this was his golden opportunity to act on it and he didn't even try."

    She is evangelical and anti-abortion. If Roe vs Wade were up for overturning, she'd vote to overturn it.

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    Here is an interesting take on Bush's press conference yesterday and his comments about Ms. Miers' "judicial philosophy." I'll save the forum from a long quotation -- if you want to read it, I'd recommend it. Basically, the author questions (citing to historical examples like Harlan, Warren, Jackson, and Rehnquist, all of whom experienced some significant philosophical change while on the Court, whether an issue-related change or a doctrinal change) whether there is value in a judge having some implicit commitment to remaining what a President has assured she will be -- and whether that sort of monolithic approach will be viewed favorably by anyone on the Judiciary Committee:

    If the President is right about her, she could be reminded, no change in political, social, cultural or economic cir stances, however radical, could move her to rethink cons utional dogma. Could she declare her independence of this President in a war on terrorism case, as Justice Antonin Scalia (a favorite of the President) did last year? How does she convince the Committee of that?
    That, Denniston posits, puts Miers in an unenviable position both now and going forward:

    Perhaps entirely sincere in attempting to persuade his conservative political allies that Miers would not become a liberal -- or even a moderate -- on the Court, the President on Tuesday put her in a position to either endorse his concept of cons utionalism for all of her service, come what may, or else find a way repeatedly to justify a betrayal of his reason for choosing her. Few (if any) Justices have gone on the Court in modern times with such a burden of loyalty to the President who placed them there. The independence that life tenure supposedly would guarantee a Justice Miers may well be compromised seriously if, over the next 20 years, she knows she will always be measured against his definition of her.
    It's certainly one view of the current state of this nomination and some of the more nuanced problems that exist, for now.

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    this article gives some historical perspective and viewpoint of conservative legal intellectuals, who are downfallen that shrub has not chosen someone from the conservatives who have been preparing for the nomination for 20 years. Basically, dubya blew them and the whole idea of meritocracy off (dubya counts loyalty above all else, even ignoring lack of competence).

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    The Right's Dissed Intellectuals

    By Harold Meyerson
    Wednesday, October 5, 2005; A23

    You could cut the disappointment with a knife. "This is the moment for which the conservative legal movement has been waiting for two decades," David Frum, the right-wing activist and former Bush speechwriter, wrote on his blog a few moments after the president dashed conservative hopes by nominating Harriet Miers to succeed Sandra Day O'Connor on the Supreme Court.

    Bypassing all manner of stellar Scalia look-alikes, the president settled on his own in-house lawyer, whose chief virtue seems to be that she's been the least visible lawyer in America this side of Judge Joseph Crater. Miers has authored no legal opinions that can be dissected, no Supreme Court briefs that can be parsed, no law review articles that can be torn apart.

    Which, I suspect, is why her selection cuts so deep in right-wing circles. The problem isn't only that Miers is not openly a movement conservative but that she's as far from a public intellectual as anyone could possibly be. In one fell swoop, Bush flouted both his supporters' ideology and their sense of meritocracy.

    Worse, he bypassed the opportunity to demonstrate their intellectual seriousness -- conservatism's intellectual seriousness.

    Consider the following from George Mason University law professor Todd Zywicki, writing on a right-wing legal-affairs blog on Monday: "There are two possible ways to think about appointments: one is to appoint those who will simply 'vote right' on the Court, the other is to be more far-reaching and to try to change the legal culture. Individuals such as Brandeis, Holmes, Warren, all changed both the Court and the legal culture, by providing intellectual heft and credibility to a certain intellectual view of the law. . . . Bush's back-to-back appointments of [Chief Justice John] Roberts and Miers is a clear indication that his goal is at best to change the voting pattern of the Court. . . . Neither of them appears to be suited by background or temperament to provide intellectual leadership that will move the legal culture."

    Note Zywicki's trio of legal heavyweights: Louis Brandeis, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Earl Warren, all figures in the liberal pantheon (though Holmes was less a liberal than a dissenter from his era's conservatism). Now, after three decades of a legal counterrevolution against the egalitarianism of the mid-20th century, the right had developed its own pantheon, its Brandeises-in-waiting. And Bush ignored them all.

    Many conservatives assumed that Bush knows his Harriet Miers and concluded that she'd probably move the court, and nation, to the right. But her nomination was nonetheless an affront to the amour-propre of conservative intellectuals everywhere. "For all we know, she will be so conservative that she'll make Clarence Thomas look like Kanye West," wrote commentator John Podhoretz. "It's still an unserious nomination, which is what those of us who are objecting to it are objecting to."

    But the conservative intellectuals have misread their president and misread their country. Four and a half years into the presidency of George W. Bush, how could they still entertain the idea that the president takes merit, much less intellectual seriousness, seriously? The one in-house White House intellectual, John DiIulio, ran screaming from the premises after a few months on the job. Bush has long since banished all those, such as Army chief of staff Gen. Eric Shinseki, who accurately predicted the price of taking over Iraq. Yet Donald Rumsfeld -- with Bush, the author of the Iraqi disaster -- remains, as do scores of lesser lights whose sole virtue has been a dogged loyalty to Bush and his blunders. Loyalty and familiarity count for more with this president than brilliance (or even competence) and conviction.

    Besides, just because the conservative intellectuals are itching for a fight over first principles doesn't mean their country is. The conservative legal movement may have been waiting for this moment, as Frum wrote, for two decades, but the conservative economic movement had also been waiting for more than two decades for its moment, its fight over Social Security. Bush indulged the economic right, and look what happened: Armed with the best thinking of Heritage, Cato and all the right-wing think tanks, the president took on the New Deal and has not yet recovered.

    Now the legal right wants -- what? A public debate over the right to choice? A frontal assault on the right to privacy? A nominee who'll argue, as right-wing darling Janice Rogers Brown has, that the minimum wage and Social Security are uncons utional? Is it any wonder that Bush, particularly in his weakened state, chose to sidestep those fights? Most of the right wing's legal agenda commands minority support in the country and provokes majority opposition. How many battles of ideas can Bush afford to lose?

    With the Miers nomination, the counterrevolution proceeds again by stealth. It is, on the fundamental issues, the only way it can proceed.

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    Perhaps you are the fool. If I want to devote however much to a political cause, that's my choice, not yours.

    But, I know, freedom for you and not for me.
    A choice, yes.

    BUT

    it is NOT free speech.

    It is a choice to hit somebody in the head repeatedly with a hammer, but that isn't free speech either.

    I hold unlimited donations to policitical parties on the part of individuals as harming societies just as much as someone who murders another person.

    It is simply morally indefensible, and the surest way to destroy our country.

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    Oh please. If I want to spend the money to support what I believe in, that is expression. If I want to run ads myself, set up a website, give it to an issue advocacy group, a political party or a particular candidate then that is how I choose to represent what I believe in.

    The hammer analogy makes no sense.

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    Oh please. If I want to spend the money to support what I believe in, that is expression. If I want to run ads myself, set up a website, give it to an issue advocacy group, a political party or a particular candidate then that is how I choose to represent what I believe in.

    The hammer analogy makes no sense.
    It does. Let's follow the logic.

    Murder is illegal because we believe it is immoral, and it harms society.

    Smoking pot is illegal because we believe it is immoral and it harms society.

    Unlimited campaign contributions to a political party is illegal (mostly) because we believe it is immoral and harms society.

    Same logical set-up.

    I hold that unlimited money into a formal political party that runs for office basically makes the modern day equivilant of "3/5 persons" out of those who don't have the money to give, and takes away any semblence of representation from those who don't have money.

    Governments should represent all interests, and that includes people with money. Their interests are no less AND NO MORE important than anyone elses.

    Allowing unlimited donations to a poltical party will start us on the road to all sorts of unpleasant -isms.

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    It does. Let's follow the logic.

    Murder is illegal because we believe it is immoral, and it harms society.

    Smoking pot is illegal because we believe it is immoral and it harms society.

    Unlimited campaign contributions to a political party is illegal (mostly) because we believe it is immoral and harms society.

    Same logical set-up.
    Sure, if you liken free political expression to murder, which, of course, makes no sense.


    I hold that unlimited money into a formal political party that runs for office basically makes the modern day equivilant of "3/5 persons" out of those who don't have the money to give, and takes away any semblence of representation from those who don't have money.

    Governments should represent all interests, and that includes people with money. Their interests are no less AND NO MORE important than anyone elses.

    Allowing unlimited donations to a poltical party will start us on the road to all sorts of unpleasant -isms.

    Oddly enough there have been plenty of instances in which the most well funded candidate or side did not win in local, state and federal elections.

    Allowing restrictions on one's personal freedom sounds like some form of an "-ism" to me. Especially when you consider that limiting individual expression amplifies the power of media outlets to influence elections. I don't know about you, but I want to live in a country in which I can support what I believe in with however much I wish to devote to it.

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