I would not rank Wilt in the top twenty of all-time players

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The sources I've seen tend to be rather obscure. At any rate, being a good track and field guy does not automatically make one great at basketball. Usain Bolt is not Michael Jordan. And my contention has never been that Wilt was not an athlete. My contention has been that his basketball game was far too limited and his athleticness exaggerated to be an all time great. You have not disproved that in any capacity.

Your arguments are not presumed. You're also all alone on this.

You don't believe it and no one cares.

[lefty]

Damn Clyde Drexler really had a team in Portland

Didnt have a Pippen and was denied a healthy prime Sabonis

And Horace Grant was better than Buck Williams and Duckworth combined tbh

[SPURt]

Damn Clyde Drexler really had a team in Portland

Didnt have a Pippen and was denied a healthy prime Sabonis

And Horace Grant was better than Buck Williams and Duckworth combined tbh

Clyde did carry some weight in Portland:

[Spurtacular]

Your arguments are not presumed. You're also all alone on this.

You don't believe it and no one cares.

Wipe the tears out of your eyes; you're not even making sense.

[wildbill2u]

Bill Russell, speaking to USA Today at the time of Chamberlain's death (quoted in Jet ), "I'm one of the guys who think Wilt was so good that people don't even known how good he was. I remember sitting at home, getting ready to play him one night, and thinking, 'another night in .'"

Spurtaclular: "I'm destroying the misnomer that Wilt was that great, tbh. Wilt kind of sucked at basketball, tbh."

Delusions of grandeur aren't pretty to watch.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wipe the tears out of your eyes; you're not even making sense.

If you don't know what presumption means or the significance that no one cares that you are incredulous then that is your problem. That you need to attribute an emotional response to me is a poor deflection.

You're grasping which tells me you have nothing. People are now coming in and taking pot shots at you. Your father would be proud.

[Spurtacular]

If you don't know what presumption means or the significance that no one cares that you are incredulous then that is your problem. That you need to attribute an emotional response to me is a poor deflection.

You're grasping which tells me you have nothing. People are now coming in and taking pot shots at you. Your father would be proud.

Who says I don't know what presumption means? That would be your presumption. Pretty sure you're grasping now. Why would I care that people aka trolls are taking shots at me? That's your ing logic?

[Spurtacular]

Bill Russell, speaking to USA Today at the time of Chamberlain's death (quoted in Jet ), "I'm one of the guys who think Wilt was so good that people don't even known how good he was. I remember sitting at home, getting ready to play him one night, and thinking, 'another night in .'"

You realize that Bill Russell's bottom line is literally predicated upon the idea that Wilt is an all-time great, right? Or do you just not consider these things?

[Sean Cagney]

Damn Clyde Drexler really had a team in Portland

Didnt have a Pippen and was denied a healthy prime Sabonis

And Horace Grant was better than Buck Williams and Duckworth combined tbh

He had some decent role players and Cliff Robinson was good but damn you are right overall. I am shocked he lead them to the finals a few times TBH, win or lose.

[Spurtacular]

He had some decent role players and Cliff Robinson was good but damn you are right overall. I am shocked he lead them to the finals a few times TBH, win or lose.

Dude, the early 90's Blazers were damn good. They realistically should've rang two or three times.

[lefty]

Dude, the early 90's Blazers were damn good. They realistically should've rang two or three times.

Clyde had a few good teammates but none of them was superstar material

Mike had Pippen, Magic Karem and Worthy, etc etc

Ultimately Clyde won a le with Prime Hakeem (who actually won the le the previous season without another superstar, but that rarely happens).

politics, Clyde should have had a young and healthy Sabonis, Portland would have absolutely raped the rest of the NBA.

Ewing is another player who carried the Knicks. I love Oakley and Stark had heart, but let's be honest, Prime Ewing was surrounded by role players.
That "choker" moniker was not deserved

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who says I don't know what presumption means? That would be your presumption. Pretty sure you're grasping now. Why would I care that people aka trolls are taking shots at me? That's your ing logic?

Because you said I was unintelligible. I presumed that you had difficult with more complex concepts. Perhaps I set the bar too high.

You are all alone in your take. You are still deflecting and abandoning arguments as soon as you make them.

[Spurtacular]

Clyde had a few good teammates but none of them was superstar material

Mike had Pippen, Magic Karem and Worthy, etc etc

Ultimately Clyde won a le with Prime Hakeem (who actually won the le the previous season without another superstar, but that rarely happens).

politics, Clyde should have had a young and healthy Sabonis, Portland would have absolutely raped the rest of the NBA.

Ewing is another player who carried the Knicks. I love Oakley and Stark had heart, but let's be honest, Prime Ewing was surrounded by role players.
That "choker" moniker was not deserved

Eh, I don't disagree totally. Though, the idea that it is a "(two) superstar league" is what Stern/Silver want you to believe. The reality is they give them just enough calls / non-calls to beat anyone, most times. However, complete teams have a way of f'ing it up sometimes. The Spurs/Pistons was Stern's nightmare come to life. The 90's Blazers were the deepest team in the league. And of course, I can go year by year and show how in most cases the deepest team didn't win though. , 05, 97 may be the only times in a two decade span that that happened.

[Spurtacular]

Because you said I was unintelligible. I presumed that you had difficult with more complex concepts. Perhaps I set the bar too high.

You are all alone in your take. You are still deflecting and abandoning arguments as soon as you make them.

You're talking in re ed circles, dude. I've abandoned nothing.

[Sean Cagney]

DP

[Sean Cagney]

Dude, the early 90's Blazers were damn good. They realistically should've rang two or three times.

Okay Terry Porter was there, Cliff Robinson, Duckworth and a few other pieces. The team was okay but he had no superstar next to him although Cliff Robinson was an all star a few years. The team was good but not great. They ran into the wrong teams in the finals unfortunately in Detroit and CHI and didn't have a chance at a ring.


Looking at the Roster though they were pretty balanced overall and had depth. They were a good team looking back, not great but very solid.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/1991.html

[Obstructed_View]

The rest of the world is playing checkers, while Spurtacular is playing with himself.

[dbestpro]

Of course he did. He was athletic ahead of his time. We're still talking about the fact that he wouldn't have been dominating bigger, stronger, faster athletes.

There has never been an athlete that is bigger, stronger, and faster than Wilt in all three phases.

[Spurtacular]

There has never been an athlete that is bigger, stronger, and faster than Wilt in all three phases.

Like I said, Dwight Howard would've been Wilt if he came five decades sooner.

[Maddog]

Its not fair to compare players today with players from 30-50 years ago. Just like with everything else in life whether it be technology, fitness, health, ect -- the human evolves and improves in time.

Of course no old head will admit that, they'll be in denial and they'll be biased to their generation. But it's no different in athletics or basketball. Players today are far better than players from the 60's, 70's and 80's. They are more skilled, more athletic, better prepared, better conditioned, they train year round with up to date technology and up to date training methods. Put Bill Russel in the NBA today and he's a 3rd or 4th big on an average team, put Paul Milsap or David Lee in the NBA in the 60's and they'd probably be compared to the goat of PFs, Tim Duncan.

6'9" maybe 6'10 in shoes 7'4" wingspan
Great athlete
Good motor and anticipation on defense.
Offense- no range outside the paint. Poor free throw shooter.

OK, where do you draft this guy today?

It's really hard to compare yesterday with today as MaNu4Tres has pointed out. If you magically transported prime Russell to the present he would struggle as a NBA player.
The year Wilt averaged 50 and Oscar a triple double- the Celtics won the NBA with roster that had only 3 players taller than 6'5". The Warriors small ball lineup of death would have out sized them.
If he grew up with today's resouces would he adjust? Who knows?

[dbestpro]

Like I said, Dwight Howard would've been Wilt if he came five decades sooner.

Howard's vertical jump is 39.5 inches. Chamberlain's was 48 inches. Not even close.

[Kool Bob Love]

OP loves to watch his wife get ed by another guy

[Spurtacular]

Howard's vertical jump is 39.5 inches. Chamberlain's was 48 inches. Not even close.

Wasn't Dwight dunking on 12'9" rims or something like that in the dunk contest? Nice try, bro.

[baseline bum]

Ewing is another player who carried the Knicks. I love Oakley and Stark had heart, but let's be honest, Prime Ewing was surrounded by role players.
That "choker" moniker was not deserved

LOL Ewing is one of the most overrated players of all time. LOL shooting 36% in the Finals not being a choke. LOL him being so important that they made the Finals again after he got hurt (while missing yet another gamewinning shot).

[skulls138]

Knicks were a great defensive team.