somebody tell me why

[DMC]

I'm sure he did some good stuff for people to remember him fondly, and it's unquestionable that he's left a giant leadership void (along with a great legacy).

But reinventing yourself is always a necessary process to step forward. The GOP really needs new ideas and leadership, less dogma and more pragmatism. It's just going to be difficult with the current base, tbh. When the last two guys standing are Cruz and Trump, you're kinda screwed. Gonna probably take a generational change, or a major Dem up (the latter being more likely, IMO). It's easy to blame the liberal media, etc for Shillary walking into the WH, but the conservative movement is far from blameless. I would even say, they have a huge hand in that too.

Cronies seem to gain the WH most often. Hillary is a cronie. Trump is a cronie. I don't mind so much the older folks but I get tired of seeing the office passed around like a joint.

[ElNono]

Cronies seem to gain the WH most often. Hillary is a cronie. Trump is a cronie. I don't mind so much the older folks but I get tired of seeing the office passed around like a joint.

About to have 2 Bush and 2 Clinton in the past 30 years... hope next up in line is not Jeb...

[DarrinS]

... hope next up in line is not Jeb...

I don't think you have anything to worry about.

[z0sa]

Beware of the oft repeated stock phrase.

To some degree, I think so. I also think the evidence is far thinner for that than many seem to. Bear in mind there are quite a few people who have every reason to claim this no matter what the veracity.

That said, Trump is just as corrupt, if not more so. The two things sort of cancel each other out when it comes to weighing votes, despite what thesanityannex might wish.

Okay, let me square up then: the Clinton cult-of-personality or cults, i suppose, that allows arguably extralegal and certainly blatant favoritism of one candidate over another in a legally binding primary, for example, should leave a sense of foreboding within every American.

[RandomGuy]

Okay, let me square up then: the Clinton cult-of-personality or cults, i suppose, that allows arguably extralegal and certainly blatant favoritism of one candidate over another in a legally binding primary, for example, should leave a sense of foreboding within every American.

Well put.

Our faithful watchdogs in the GOP will provide more than enough scrutiny, I'm sure. I mean that rather earnestly. We can look forward to years of them yelling "fire" at the first sign of haze.

[z0sa]

Well put.

Our faithful watchdogs in the GOP will provide more than enough scrutiny, I'm sure. I mean that rather earnestly. We can look forward to years of them yelling "fire" at the first sign of haze.

I agree. But then again, think of Obama's approval level being so high despite all efforts by the GOP over the past 8 years. Then we have the millions and millions spent trying to jail or at least damnably discredit Hillary resulting in... a Hillary presidency in all likelihood. The GOP has become the world's most expensive and inefficient white noise machine.

[RandomGuy]

I agree. But then again, think of Obama's approval level being so high despite all efforts by the GOP over the past 8 years. Then we have the millions and millions spent trying to jail or at least damnably discredit Hillary resulting in... a Hillary presidency in all likelihood. The GOP has become the world's most expensive and inefficient white noise machine.

Sigworthy...

[z0sa]

Sigworthy...

the GOP's every thought, outside of Paul Ryan. Love him or hate his policy perspectives, I feel hes done a great job replacing Boenhead amidst all this Trump debacle. At least, relatively speaking.

[DMC]

Lest we forget

[clambake]

Lest we forget

Well? I’m waiting

[DMC]

Well? I’m waiting

ok, sometimes people are intimidated and afraid. i'll go first.


i think that trump is the best thing that coulda happened.

[diego]

1) I think Clinton would appoint SCOTUS justices that align more in my views moreso that Trump. Specifically CU and er.
2) I think Trump is low intelligence, short fused and narcissistic which would make him easy to manipulate by our enemies and anyone else as well as increasingly the likelihood of dangerous scenarios.
3) I think Trump's mercantile trade policies would start a trade war that would set us back from a century of progress.
4) I think Trump's trickle down economic policies would be a fiscal nightmare. He has more wishful thinking than Reagan ever did.
5) I think in the era of race relations and a police state that he would worsen the problem and lead to more of an authoritarian Orwellian dystopia.
6) I think Texas needs to get rid of the one party hegemony that we have had throughout my lifetime. Polls are within the margin of error.

Neither candidate says anything about election reform and neither candidate seems to have any an rust initiatives.

Pretty spot on assessment of how Trump's first term played out tbh