Tim Duncan won FOUR championships without another all-NBA teammate

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Regarding Lebron vs Tim - poor comparisons. They played different roles on completely different teams under different cir stances.

Tim didn't come out of HS with a 90m dollar shoe contract, and wouldn't have impacted the game like Lebron did right out of HS. Tim's strength was always his ability to keep an even keel and produce consistent numbers, eye popping numbers in retrospect but seemed invisible at the time because he was just playing the game. Lebron commands the ball and often plays one on one for extended minutes. Neither of these guys are cancers to their teams, and with both of them, their respective teams would be ringless without them (Miami notwithstanding). You cannot say, objectively, that a guy who lead his teams to 7 consecutive finals, two different teams that could not make it without him and went basically s up after he left, is overrated.

Lebron's issues are related to the fact that the NBA is polluted with guys who chase money early and rings late. So he's ed both ways. He has young guys wanting a bigger piece of the pie than they deserve, but they could get it on another team without a mega star. Then he has old guys who mailed it in for a decade and now suddenly feel they can contribute. Both need him and both hate him because neither can have what he has. He knows it, his agents know it. He was treated like dog by the owner of the Cavs but he returned just the same, only now he's business only. You don't see that weak ass he had in Boston prior to him leaving for Miami, there's no trying to prove the haters wrong. He's just pure business.

It's good for the NBA that egos push great players apart, else we'd have this juggernaut situation in GS for 10 ing years. It's good that smaller players reach for the brass ring and step out on their own. It has nothing to do with Lebron being a to anyone, and everything to do with teammates who are not that good wanting bigger contracts. Everyone here knows someone who claims the place they work couldn't run without them, and yet they are small fish. Don't you think role players eventually feel that way? Then think how Uncle Drew feels going from big shot in town to Lebron's +1.

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Timmy won a ring his second year in and never stopped! How is that not as impactful if not more?

As for your second paragraph, thats somewhat true but also he hasnt had a great coach or really good coach. Having said that Timmys just a better team player with better fundamentals. Timmys game is set to WIN rings, while Lebrons game is to get there. The deeper you get into the playoffs, the tighter the noose, the smaller the funnel gets and thats when you need some kind signature shot thats hard to defend and Lebrons is pretty much, blow by you, lay up. Thats easier to defend in the playoffs.

He impressed me most in his last ring. He seemed to find his true niche, which is to completely be a two way player but also let others shine. That may have alot to do with his players but I think it was him too.