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    No.

    But it still does not free Clinton from questions about how extensive her working knowlege of this little part of her campaign was. And it all may be perfectly legal and common. The Republicans have clearly pulled off some of the worst crap concerning this type of behavior. But it is also clear that once the Democrats fully figured out how to make big money for campaigns under Obama's incredible fund raising capabilities they fell right into bed with some bad partners and habits. The democrats had a leg up of being considered the party of people who had little to zero say in the running of our country. This badge is stained. It's pretty clear given the last election.

    So articles like the WPost put up are important for reform, if you are a Democrat anyways IMO. The Republicans as a whole are not pleased with Trump at all. They have pulled off rounding up a little over 1/3 of the vote to simply run on vengeance against 8 years of Obama. It does not matter if policy helps or hurts the country as a whole or not to these people. They see Democrats pulling the same thing; the blind following of minorities and disadvantaged (while actually getting very little done)

    Look at this board as a microcosm. It runs off of thwarting the other party and vengeance, Not good policy for the whole. The Republicans were willing to put forward some of the worst health care ever seen just to take down Obamacare. Even though they and almost everyone else knows it needs much reform. They were willing to replace a model with much worse just to say, mission accomplished, we have screwed the country while keeping our word. That's Fd up...
    That is a pretty simplistic attempt at rationalization. I don’t care one bit about boots but to try to project this pile of nonsense is not a good effort. This is hater and Chris and chuko level thinking
    The above is what I had written.

    If you disagree, give me your interpretation of the Trump election and democratic failings.
    Go.

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    The irony.

    Hey stupid, realize in your effort to be a lying sucker you forgot that this was initiated by republicans during the primaries.

    LOL, Boots' alt.

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    The irony.

    Hey stupid, realize in your effort to be a lying sucker you forgot that this was initiated by republicans during the primaries.
    And the Clinton Campaign gladly slurped it up and continued funding it.

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    Opposition research is old news. Politicians have been doing it forever. Most people realized, however that it was just mud slinging. In this case clinton paid fot the mudslinging and Obama's justice department gave it the "mark of approval" saying "people are saying this so we need to tell you what they are saying" which totally legitimized pissgate.

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    Why are people pretending the Clinton campaign used the dossier before the election?

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    Why are people pretending the FBI didn't use the Clinton campaign paid for dossier to obtain the FISA warrant they were previously denied?

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    Are you pretending the Clinton campaign ordered this?

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    Are you pretending the Clinton campaign ordered this?
    No. It goes much deeper than just the Clinton campaign.

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    No. It goes much deeper than just the Clinton campaign.
    Oh, do give us your revised conspiracy theory.

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    Oh, do give us your revised conspiracy theory.
    Nothing has been revised.

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    Nothing has been revised.
    Oh, well post it here so our memories can be refreshed.

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    Oh, well post it here so our memories can be refreshed.
    Reference your ST notebook

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    Reference your ST notebook
    Nope. If you're ashamed to state your theory and just want to be a , that's your choice. I don't blame you for not wanting to commit to yet another conspiracy theory.

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    Ted Lieu hilariously dangles ‘shiny object’ keys at Republicans still obsessed with ‘stupid’ Clinton investigations




    “It looks like the Republicans are trying very hard to impeach President Hillary Clinton —

    but she’s not the president, she’s a private citizen,” Lieu replied

    “Actually,” Lieu began as he pulled out his keys and started dangling them,

    “I think the real reason the Republicans are launching these stupid investigations, is like, ‘look at the shiny object!’

    They’re trying to distract and that’s why they’re really doing it.”

    “They know that every week there’s something really bad about Donald Trump and

    they want the public to pay attention to something else,” he stated.


    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/ted...e+Raw+Story%29

    A in ASIAN mocking, ridiculing the Repug white guys.



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    Ted Lieu hilariously dangles ‘shiny object’ keys at Republicans still obsessed with ‘stupid’ Clinton investigations




    “It looks like the Republicans are trying very hard to impeach President Hillary Clinton —

    but she’s not the president, she’s a private citizen,” Lieu replied

    “Actually,” Lieu began as he pulled out his keys and started dangling them,

    “I think the real reason the Republicans are launching these stupid investigations, is like, ‘look at the shiny object!’

    They’re trying to distract and that’s why they’re really doing it.”

    “They know that every week there’s something really bad about Donald Trump and

    they want the public to pay attention to something else,” he stated.


    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/ted...e+Raw+Story%29

    A in ASIAN mocking, ridiculing the Repug white guys.


    Will trigger TSA. He’s out for your guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Hope Trump sues Hillary and DNC for 200 billion

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    Hope Trump sues Hillary and DNC for 200 billion
    Me too. Depositions will be fun.

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    Hope Trump sues Hillary and DNC for 200 billion
    Lordy, I hope he does.

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    What’s Up With The Times Piece on Elias, Steele and Fusion GP

    the Democratic party’s top election lawyer, Marc Elias, deserves some kind of vast national, public thank you since his decision to fund the Fusion GPS/Steele research likely played a key role in blocking the ‘grand bargain’ and policy payoffs to Russia which President Trump was hoping to make in January and February of this year.

    almost everything we learned last night had been known for roughly a year: specifically, that after Republican funders lost interest in probing President Trump’s ties to Russia, Democrats began funding the on-going research by Fusion GPS. What we learned last night was specifically which Democrats. A new filing from the law firm of Perkins Coie showed that it was Marc Elias who contracted Fusion GPS with funds from the Clinton campaign and the DNC.

    It seems clear,

    even based on the
    Times reporting, that the Clinton campaign did not know about Fusion GPS or what subcontractor was working on an oppo research project (nor would it have been routine for them to know).

    The key point as a story is that we already knew that the project began with funding from Republicans.

    what jumps out at me about the Times story: what’s not included. Let me list a few points.

    * The fact that it has been publicly known for more than a year that the Fusion GPS investigation of Trump’s ties to Russia began with funding from Republicans and was later funded by Democrats. This has been known since David Corn’s report in October 2016 and reported in numerous other reports since. This is never mentioned in the Times article.


    * The fact that the Fusion GPS’s

    investigation into Russia began as a project funded by Republicans. This is never mentioned in the Times report,

    although it’s alluded to in the letter from Perkins Coie Managing Partner Matthew J. Gehringer. (The precise timeline is this: Republicans hire Fusion GPS to investigate Trump business. Investigation quickly turns to focus on Trump’s ties to Russia. Republicans lose interest. Elias agrees to continue the funding with money from DNC/HRC campaign. Steele brought in to go deeper into Russia ties.)


    * The Times report can be read to

    suggest that the Clinton campaign and the DNC paid $12.4 million for the Fusion GPS research. But as the Post notes, these tabulations date back to June and November 2015, fully a year before Elias signed up Fusion GPS.

    So by definition, it can’t all be for that research.


    * Leaving out the first two points makes the Times piece seem quite misleading to me.

    In a different category is another detail left out. As the Post notes, the Democrats stopped funding the Fusion GPS the day before the election.

    But Steele had already shared his findings with the FBI because he was so alarmed by what he had found.

    The FBI was sufficiently disturbed and confident in Steele’s work that they agreed to continue funding his work.

    (They eventually stopped once Steele’s name became public.) This is highly relevant information for determining the quality and credibility of Steele’s findings. But it doesn’t appear in the Times report even though the lede of the Times report focuses squarely on Republican accusations about Steele and Fusion GPS.

    The FBI’s confidence in Steele’s work and going so far as to agree to keep funding it seems highly relevant information in evaluating those attacks.

    At the end of the day, what seems relevant to me is that the funding behind the Steele/Fusion GPS effort has been known since last year.

    It had details about at least the outlines of the Russian subversion campaign long before they were publicly known.

    How there’s anything bad about money from the campaign and the DNC helping to fund it is a complete mystery.

    The only problem is why they didn’t do more with it since this was critical information for the public to know.

    But the public was left in the dark.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...and-fusion-gps

    it sure looks like the Times ran a hit piece on Hillary and the Dems, using old information, and ignoring that the info WAS old.





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    Yeah, I don't know why everyone is pretending Corn didn't write the article about Republican and Democrat funding of the dossier a full year ago.

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    NYT reporters throwing them under the bus




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    Wow

    So glad they lost

    De able

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    NYT reporters ran a hit piece on Hillary and Dems, leaving out KEY information, and presenting information as new when it was a year old and a yawner back then.

    TSA is suckered again by Repugs deflecting, fabricated bull outrage.

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