GOP Rep. Mia Love calls on Trump to apologize for Haiti comment

[Blake]

My apologies for cross posting but I didn't choose any of the data from that article about being better educated and more likely to participate in the workforce than native born Americans because it had already been posted (and discussed) in the Alpha Trump: Calling Out the Immigration System by RandomGuy in post #94 but you are correct that it was not posted in THIS thread (which I will do below).

My point is EVEN THOUGH African immigrants are better educated and more likely to participate in the workforce than native born Americans, "The African born were more likely to live in poverty in 2009 than were the native born and the foreign born overall. In 2009, a greater share of African immigrants lived in a household with an annual income below the federal poverty line (18.5 percent) than the native born (13.6 percent) and immigrants overall (17.3 percent)." Isn't it the end result that is important? And is that what you want? To let in people from a country 41% of whom are going to live in poverty? Now, living in poverty in the US maybe better than living anywhere in Sudan but you could say that about billions of people. Are we supposed to let them all in? Is it better for us Americans when we already have so many of our own living in poverty?


African-born adults were more likely than the native born to have bachelor's degree or higher level of education.
In 2009, 41.7 percent of African-born adults age 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 28.1 percent of native-born adults and 26.8 percent of all foreign-born adults. Of these, 25 percent of Africans reported a bachelor's degree as their highest credential, compared to 17.9 percent of the native born and 15.8 percent of immigrants, and 16.7 percent of Africans reported having a higher degree than a bachelor's, compared to 10.2 percent of the native born and 11.0 percent of immigrants.

African immigrants of both genders were more likely to participate in the civilian labor force than were foreign-born men and women overall.
African-born men age 16 and older had higher rates of civilian labor force participation (83.7 percent) in 2009 than did African-born women (67.2 percent). Yet both African-born men and women were more likely to be in the civilian labor force (i.e., to be employed or seeking employment) than were foreign-born men (80.0 percent) and foreign-born women (57.4 percent) overall. African immigrant men and women were also more likely than native-born men (69.1 percent) and native-born women (60.2 percent) to participate in the labor force.

The African born were more likely to live in poverty in 2009 than were the native born and the foreign born overall.
In 2009, a greater share of African immigrants lived in a household with an annual income below the federal poverty line (18.5 percent) than the native born (13.6 percent) and immigrants overall (17.3 percent).


https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...-united-states

Why are so many evangelicals such elitists

[rmt]

Don't let black people in because they'll work those crappy jobs that don't pay enough to get them out of poverty!

And they end up on welfare at a rate of 48%. If you want to fund that, feel welcome to.

[Pavlov]

And they end up on welfare at a rate of 48%. If you want to fund that, feel welcome to.

Someone has to do those jobs the whites don't want. If they're working full time and still qualify for assistance, what do you want to be done about it?

[rmt]

Someone has to do those jobs the whites don't want. If they're working full time and still qualify for assistance, what do you want to be done about it?

Don't bring them here in the first place - some here (not necessarily you) are so big on data and statistics - use those numbers, see which areas of the world end up on welfare and pick from the areas of the world that DON'T (or at a lesser rate than our natives).

[Pavlov]

Don't bring them here in the first place

Someone has to do those jobs.

[rmt]

Someone has to do those jobs.

Why can't Americans and teenagers do those jobs? That's I why I would like work requirements tied to any aid (except for the disabled and kids, of course).

[Pavlov]

Why can't Americans and teenagers do those jobs?

So you want businesses to exploit Americans' cheap labor so you can subsidize them with your taxes and are surprised when Americans don't want to be exploited that way?

Hm.

Trump hires foreigners to work at his properties.

Why?

[Spurminator]

My apologies for cross posting but I didn't choose any of the data from that article about being better educated and more likely to participate in the workforce than native born Americans because it had already been posted (and discussed) in the Alpha Trump: Calling Out the Immigration System by RandomGuy in post #94 but you are correct that it was not posted in THIS thread (which I will do below).

My point is EVEN THOUGH African immigrants are better educated and more likely to participate in the workforce than native born Americans, "The African born were more likely to live in poverty in 2009 than were the native born and the foreign born overall. In 2009, a greater share of African immigrants lived in a household with an annual income below the federal poverty line (18.5 percent) than the native born (13.6 percent) and immigrants overall (17.3 percent)." Isn't it the end result that is important? And is that what you want? To let in people from a country 41% of whom are going to live in poverty? Now, living in poverty in the US maybe better than living anywhere in Sudan but you could say that about billions of people. Are we supposed to let them all in? Is it better for us Americans when we already have so many of our own living in poverty?

So what about the Africans who aren't? Tough for them? You act like it's a roll of the dice where you come up poor 41% of the time. Immigration policy is a lot more complex than just what country they come from. So are people.

[boutons_deux]

Trash said to have called people to tell them about his hole comment and how his (Spurstalk) base would love it

[rmt]

So you want businesses to exploit Americans' cheap labor so you can subsidize them with your taxes and are surprised when Americans don't want to be exploited that way?

Hm.

Trump hires foreigners to work at his properties.

Why?

The solution might be a combination of sealing the border/cutting illegal immigration by e-verify and strict/stiff/huge employer fines for violation/implementing work requirements for any aid - don't you think we will spend less overall on border security/welfare and most of the money will stay with Americans - as opposed to illegal immigrants and being sent back to their source country.

[Pavlov]

The solution might be a combination of sealing the border/cutting illegal immigration by e-verify and strict/stiff/huge employer fines for violation/implementing work requirements for any aid - don't you think we will spend less overall on border security/welfare and most of the money will stay with Americans - as opposed to illegal immigrants and being sent back to their source country.

You didn't answer the question.

Trump hires foreigners to work at his properties.

Why?

[rmt]

So what about the Africans who aren't? Tough for them? You act like it's a roll of the dice where you come up poor 41% of the time. Immigration policy is a lot more complex than just what country they come from. So are people.

There were substantial differences between origin countries with respect to the share living in poverty. For example, immigrants from Nigeria (10.6 percent), Morocco (10.8 percent), Sierra Leone (13.5 percent), and Ghana (14.6 percent) were much less likely than African immigrants overall to live below the federal poverty line. In contrast, almost half of all immigrants from Somalia (49.9 percent) live in poverty, and poverty rates for immigrants from Guinea (42.7 percent) and Sudan (41.2 percent)are also well above the average for African immigrants overall. Somalia and Sudan have both accounted for a large number of refugee admissions over the past decade.

Choose the Nigerians and Moroccons rather than the immigrants from Guinea and Somalia who are more than 4 times the former to end up in poverty. Every dollar that is spent on immigrant aid could possibly have been spent on Americans.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...-united-states

[rmt]

You didn't answer the question.

Trump hires foreigners to work at his properties.

Why?

I'm all for NO H1-B visas or whatever code he uses to hire these foreigners. With the scrutiny he has, I'm pretty sure he's following the LAWS ON THE BOOKS. Oh, that immigration reform again.

[Pavlov]

I'm all for NO H1-B visas or whatever code he uses to hire these foreigners. With the scrutiny he has, I'm pretty sure he's following the LAWS ON THE BOOKS. Oh, that immigration reform again.

You didn't answer the question.

Trump hires foreigners to work at his properties.

Why?

[rmt]

Why? Because it's cheaper and Trump Jr is doing what's best for their business.

[Pavlov]

Why? Because it's cheaper

Finally.

It's an end-run around actual supply and demand in the US. People believe in capitalism and America first except when they don't.

[rmt]

Finally.

So? I would love to buy "made in the USA" for everything but I am going to do what's best for my family. Maybe you're more patriotic than I am and can afford to pay the higher prices from American made stuff but as long as I'm not doing anything illegal, I'll continue to shop what's best for me/my family. It's funny - it's kinda like I try to get away from ordering on Amazon but the selection/convenience/2 day shipping and I just can't - sigh.

[Pavlov]

So? I would love to buy "made in the USA" for everything but I am going to do what's best for my family. Maybe you're more patriotic than I am and can afford to pay the higher prices from American made stuff but as long as I'm not doing anything illegal, I'll continue to shop what's best for me/my family. It's funny - it's kinda like I try to get away from ordering on Amazon but the selection/convenience/2 day shipping and I just can't - sigh.

Filet Mignon at Trump's Miami resort costs $50.

How much more would it be if Trump hired Americans to work there?

You believe in capitalism and America first except when you don't.

[rmt]

Filet Mignon at Trump's Miami resort costs $50.

How much more would it be if Trump hired Americans to work there?

I have no idea (or even what a filet mignon is supposed to cost) - I'm not a steak person myself.

[Pavlov]

I have no idea (or even what a filet mignon is supposed to cost) - I'm not a steak person myself.

A chopped vegetable salad is $15.

Roasted chicken $31.

How much more would they be if Trump hired Americans?

[rmt]

A chopped vegetable salad is $15.

Roasted chicken $31.

How much more would they be if Trump hired Americans?

Wow - probably not even organic chicken either. Do you know how much roast chicken I could make with that amount of money from Costco's 2 pack organic whole chicken?

I have no idea.

[Pavlov]

Wow - probably not even organic chicken either. Do you know how much roast chicken I could make with that amount of money from Costco's 2 pack organic whole chicken?

I have no idea.

Somehow I think the customers at Trump's restaurant could afford whatever increase in price necessary to make American restaurant workers American again.

[Chinook]

There were substantial differences between origin countries with respect to the share living in poverty. For example, immigrants from Nigeria (10.6 percent), Morocco (10.8 percent), Sierra Leone (13.5 percent), and Ghana (14.6 percent) were much less likely than African immigrants overall to live below the federal poverty line. In contrast, almost half of all immigrants from Somalia (49.9 percent) live in poverty, and poverty rates for immigrants from Guinea (42.7 percent) and Sudan (41.2 percent)are also well above the average for African immigrants overall. Somalia and Sudan have both accounted for a large number of refugee admissions over the past decade.

Choose the Nigerians and Moroccons rather than the immigrants from Guinea and Somalia who are more than 4 times the former to end up in poverty. Every dollar that is spent on immigrant aid could possibly have been spent on Americans.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...-united-states

Does that say why those immigrants came to the US? West Africa is significantly better off than most of the East African countries politically. I would not be surprised if a larger part of the Somali and Sudanese folks came over as part of a hardship/asylum situation. In contrast, the Nigerian and Ghanean folks likely come over because they are going to school here or already have jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if there are similar numbers comparing Western Europe of some of the worse off countries in the East.

It's not as easy as looking at country of origin. It's likely that the normal immigration process yields results with little variance. Instead separate why the people want to come over and figure out how much we want to do to let people escape to here. It's not going to be "nothing", so we have to have a better system for managing those immigrants who don't have a stable situation for them already set up when they arrive.

[SnakeBoy]

Just another day in the hole

As Haiti protests continue, US citizens warned to shelter in place
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/07/ameri...ngs/index.html

Gas prices went up let's burn our hole

[DMX7]

Just another day in the hole

As Haiti protests continue, US citizens warned to shelter in place
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/07/ameri...ngs/index.html

Gas prices went up let's burn our hole

At least they don't get mass murdered in their schools. The world has problems.