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    Kawhi is a millennial, so ...
    People still blaming millennials? At least we aren't swallowing laundry detergent tbh.

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    Or the player could just address the issue
    Kawhi has been completely silent. In this situation THAT sets him completely apart from any other player in a similar situation. Can anybody imagine LeBron, Curry, Harden, Paul, Durant et al maintaining total silence under these cir stances? I think it is maybe the most bizarre aspect of this whole episode. And it really has me very concerned. Totally bizarre.

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    People still blaming millennials? At least we aren't swallowing laundry detergent tbh.
    No, your kids are.

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    It would be nice if anyone had any idea what was going on. Hearsay is pretty bad, but when Kawhi won't comment for himself publicly it just let's the rumor mills grow. I have friends and family who are challenging...doesn't mean I'm going to trade them.

    Between him not talking, Pop not addressing anything, and RC being cryptic it's hard to say what "challenging" translates to...injury is challenging?..demands challenging?..contract negotiations challenging?..in-flight menu requests challenging?

    At least when your team is full of media hounds the public has an idea for what's going on.
    Unimaginable with any other superstar on any other team in any other league. Something is clearly up.

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    Exactly. Imagine you're in Kawhi's shoes. You see your team's management overpay players like Pau Gasol and Patty Mills and see other teams like the Rockets and OKC making big moves for their futures. You definitely want out.
    This is an overrated stance tbh. OKC has no future (they're not winning a ring anytime soon with that roster and there's a good chance PG leaves this summer anyways) and the Spurs are better than them right now with an injury-riddled roster. As for Chris Paul, him going to the Rockets was a blockbuster deal that rarely happens, and he CHOSE to go to Houston. Not much we can do there.

    I agree we overpaid Pau and Patty, those were both obviously dumb moves. PATFO screwed up with those, but that doesn't mean it's not fixable. Both are tradable (esp Pau's contract after this year). Patty's would be more difficult, but it's possible. Spurs just need to handle their business from here on out. I still think we can beat Houston come playoff time IF we're healthy.

    Too much melting down right now. I'll wait til we get bounced early in the playoffs and Kawhi declines signing the SuperMax before I start to panic.

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    Starting to actually get concerned.

    PATFO denied that Aldridge was anything wrong when reports about him being traded came up only to find out later that they were true. Starting to think there may be something to the Kawhi is unhappy rumors.

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    Perhaps just now the picture is becoming clearer as a comment here and there adds substance to the rumours of unrest. Maybe it’s going to take an aging, but still MVP level Bron to keep Whi here.

    The tv and other promo stuff would help the initial outlays. Can you just imagine the media frenzy of Bron & Whi together.

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    You got to think how frustrated Leonard is. He deserved more MVP votes than he got last year. He outplayed the stat hogger and literally blocked Harden from taking votes from him. Yet he just didn't get the recognition. Coming into the season, CP joins Harden which means he loses votes. PG and Melo join Rus which again removes votes. Curry and Durrant lose votes. This was Leonard's year to be the MVP. And a quad injury keeps him out and continue to keep him out. He can't work it out. Training staff can't work it out. Second opinions can't work it out.

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    No, your kids are.
    I'm 26, Tholdren, don't have any 15 year old's swallowing tide pods-that I know of at least. Can you say the same?

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    I'm 26, Tholdren, don't have any 15 year old's swallowing tide pods-that I know of at least. Can you say the same?
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    Time to bring the receipts

    "Aldridge didn't request a trade"
    "Kawhi doesn't have a problem with RC"
    Delusional ers. Built not Bought krew

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    was that really what he said? I missed the comment and want confirmation.

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    You got to think how frustrated Leonard is. He deserved more MVP votes than he got last year. He outplayed the stat hogger and literally blocked Harden from taking votes from him. Yet he just didn't get the recognition. Coming into the season, CP joins Harden which means he loses votes. PG and Melo join Rus which again removes votes. Curry and Durrant lose votes. This was Leonard's year to be the MVP. And a quad injury keeps him out and continue to keep him out. He can't work it out. Training staff can't work it out. Second opinions can't work it out.
    That is true. we as fans were robbed from a year of his prime and the season has been frustrating... I imagine for him it's doubly so.

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    Kawhi probably told RC to do his job and improve the team instead of handing out overpriced loyalty contracts to washed up dudes and pretending that will fix anything.

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    I fully believe there's tension surrounding the injury/rehab/rest and maybe even affecting future contract discussion..

    However, I find it extremely difficult to believe that there are issues regarding the roster, though..that would be very strange, considering they reached the WCFs last season and Kawhi has barely played this season(a player complaining about supporting cast while he's on the sideline would be unprecedented)..it wouldn't make any sense..

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    WHAT if the Bron to SA is more than a mere possibility and Kawhi is not so on board. I mean they have gone head to head for a few years. That would throw the situation into a different light.

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    bradly beal for KL straight up tbh

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    This is an overrated stance tbh. OKC has no future (they're not winning a ring anytime soon with that roster and there's a good chance PG leaves this summer anyways) and the Spurs are better than them right now with an injury-riddled roster. As for Chris Paul, him going to the Rockets was a blockbuster deal that rarely happens, and he CHOSE to go to Houston. Not much we can do there.

    I agree we overpaid Pau and Patty, those were both obviously dumb moves. PATFO screwed up with those, but that doesn't mean it's not fixable. Both are tradable (esp Pau's contract after this year). Patty's would be more difficult, but it's possible. Spurs just need to handle their business from here on out. I still think we can beat Houston come playoff time IF we're healthy.

    Too much melting down right now. I'll wait til we get bounced early in the playoffs and Kawhi declines signing the SuperMax before I start to panic.
    If they're handing out overpriced loyalty deals to Pau (why?) and Patty, what do you think they'll do with Tony? Or Danny? Both would be more deserving than Pau or Patty, yet also not worth the deals they could potentially receive. It also doesn't help that the compe ion has been aggressive in trying to improve their teams (OKC, Houston, Minnesota, even the Pelicans with Cousins, GSW the year before with Durant) while the Spurs have stood pat or made minor changes.

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    If they're handing out overpriced loyalty deals to Pau (why?) and Patty, what do you think they'll do with Tony? Or Danny? Both would be more deserving than Pau or Patty, yet also not worth the deals they could potentially receive. It also doesn't help that the compe ion has been aggressive in trying to improve their teams (OKC, Houston, Minnesota, even the Pelicans with Cousins, GSW the year before with Durant) while the Spurs have stood pat or made minor changes.
    As bad as most of the front office's moves have been the past few seasons, it would still be very sad if Kawhi complained about the roster(I don't believe he has, though)..he's only been the focal point for 2 full seasons, and it's not like they were missing the playoffs during that time..

    I can't recall an example of a star complaining in such a short period of time..it took Kobe until the end of his 3rd full season as the lead guy to ask for a trade(and those teams were far worse than anything the Spurs have put out lately)..

    Again, I don't believe Kawhi cares about that, though..at least not yet..

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    As bad as most of the front office's moves have been the past few seasons, it would still be very sad if Kawhi complained about the roster(I don't believe he has, though)..he's only been the focal point for 2 full seasons, and it's not like they were missing the playoffs during that time..

    I can't recall an example of a star complaining in such a short period of time..it took Kobe until the end of his 3rd full season as the lead guy to ask for a trade(and those teams were far worse than anything the Spurs have put out lately)..

    Again, I don't believe Kawhi cares about that, though..at least not yet..
    We have no idea why the relationship is challenging, like you said it could be over the injury but it would be justified if it was over the roster.

    The Warriors acquiring Durant has put pressure on the rest of the contenders to improve. We saw that happen with Houston, OKC, Minnesota, Boston, NO etc. So it's kind of hard to compare it to previous stars. Imagine if after the 07 Finals the Spurs acquired Lebron without losing any of the Big 3. That's basically what the league is dealing with right now.

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    WHAT if the Bron to SA is more than a mere possibility and Kawhi is not so on board. I mean they have gone head to head for a few years. That would throw the situation into a different light.
    I think that'd be the case if it were Durant. Lebron hasn't been disrespectful towards kl like Durant.

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    I fully believe there's tension surrounding the injury/rehab/rest and maybe even affecting future contract discussion..

    However, I find it extremely difficult to believe that there are issues regarding the roster, though..that would be very strange, considering they reached the WCFs last season and Kawhi has barely played this season(a player complaining about supporting cast while he's on the sideline would be unprecedented)..it wouldn't make any sense..
    It would make sense to me if I were Kawhi and Pop & RC tagged on 100 million to Pau and Patty for the next 3-4 years.

    Yeah they made the WCF last year, but that doesn't mean to go all in and give Pau and Patty 100 million for next 3-4 years. There's ways to build on successful seasons by trimming the fat and layering on top of the positives. Spurs overpaid the fat for the duration of Kawhi's prime. It's about the near future more so than what happened in previous seasons.

    I'd be pissed about those two decisions, I am now and I'm just a fan. If Kawhi wants to win les, I could understand why the roster frustrates him. Pau and Patty weren't the moves to make. I understand Paus' deal to a degree but the Spurs were terrible in leveraging the situation. No team in the NBA would have given him 16 mil per. And Pattys deal was as atrocious as it can possibly get. Now if Kawhi signs the Super Max, Patty will be making 30% of the remaining cap space after Kawhi and LMA's salary -- which is ridiculous if you're trying to build a championship team.

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    It would make sense to me if I were Kawhi and Pop & RC tagged on 100 million to Pau and Patty for the next 3-4 years.
    Again, Kawhi is a max player. Any player who is already making big money and is pissed at others making money is going to be hated in the locker room. What he would be doing is Kobe-level cancer stuff. That would be true even if the team were a solid lottery team. It's so much more true with them having HCA in the first round right now. You can be pissed all you want. You're a fan, so having an opinion on their moves and complaining while ultimately being powerless is your role. Kawhi isn't a fan. He isn't the GM. He's a player. And ing about other guys' salaries when the team is holding its own without him would be disgusting.

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    Again, Kawhi is a max player. Any player who is already making big money and is pissed at others making money is going to be hated in the locker room. What he would be doing is Kobe-level cancer stuff. That would be true even if the team were a solid lottery team. It's so much more true with them having HCA in the first round right now. You can be pissed all you want. You're a fan, so having an opinion on their moves and complaining while ultimately being powerless is your role. Kawhi isn't a fan. He isn't the GM. He's a player. And ing about other guys' salaries when the team is holding its own without him would be disgusting.
    It's not about ing about other guys' salary. Kawhi doesn't . It's about trying to understand what his thoughts are about the team moving forward as he, like any player, has thought about his future. It's called empathy. And if I were in his shoes, it would bother me especially if I wanted to win.

    If it's not about winning, then he is probably thinking about preferring to play closer to home, in LA.

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