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    They need to have a face to face with Kawhi before offering the supermax. Find out if he wants to remain a Spur or look to trade him. Do they have to blow the team culture up? no. Just find a trade with some pieces the Spurs could use for the future to remain compe ive. I like the Lakers deal if Magic would do it (Ball, Kuzma, Ingram, etc, etc). Of course by trading Kawhi to Lakers Spurs could be starting the next superteam.
    After everything that's gone down this year, there is NO WAY IN that Pop jumps on the Ball family show wagon. That's just not happening. Now, what might happen is that Ball is flipped to a third team, who give us an asset that we DO want. Kuzma is what he is. I see him as being at his ceiling. He put up 16p/6r/2a on a bad team. He's a rotation player, and a 6'9" guy who shoots 45% overall. LMA takes a lot of jumpers, difficult ones, and still shoots 51%, and people call him soft, and a guy who settles for the jumper too much. What does that make Kuzma? I think he's a typical overhyped Laker youngster, and the fans are just glad to see players on the floor who don't belong in the d-league. Ingram is nice, but I'm not sure you settle for just one prospect in a trade. The Laker picks aren't great, either.

    The buzz is that Boston is just standing by waiting for a decision. I'm way more stoked about their youngsters and picks. Jaylen is flat balling in the playoffs, and Tatum seems to be an excellent 3 point shooter. If they get Kawhi, they'll have 4 SFs on their roster. They'll actually need to move probably two of them, so... Their picks are also top 10 or higher, in all likelihood. One or two of the youngsters, and one or two of the picks, and maybe you pry Rozier away, if they won't flip both SFs.

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    spurfan still claiming media hates spur when they do nothing but lick PATFO butthole year after year

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    I hope you're right about it, this roster needs aggressive changes.
    Be careful what you wish for. The people making these aggressive changes are the same ones responsible for Patty's and Gasol's contracts.

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    "Plus, the fact that the man who has to carry this franchise is 70 years old and could retire in one-two years."

    Oh come on, YWGI, Manu is only 40 years old.

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    Brother, I love your loyalty to Kawhi in this situation....I really hope you're right about him.



    But as far as how the Spurs treat their players, I don't think there's an organization in pro sports that does a better job in that department than the Spurs have. I think that's clearly an area where you're off course a bit.
    Where in my post did I mention anything about the Spurs treating players badly? My point is they gave worse players the benefit of the doubt... Kawhi deserves it too... What Aldridge pulled last year was the absolute worst

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    I think when one player stands to gobble up half your cap space for the next several you need to be reassured that he can a) play at a high level, and b) has his head on straight. Remember, he's the guy saying he's hurt, supposedly not the Spurs organization. $219M is a lot of money to put into a player that couldn't play because he can't recover from his injury. So yeah, if I'm the Spurs I'm asking for those reassurances.
    Fair enough

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    And if I'm SA, I'm seriously looking at LMA this summer too. He's carried us this season, there's no doubt, but he's also raised his value a lot with his play this year. The Spurs can't get to the promised land with LMA as the centerpiece, so if Kawhi can't go, or isn't resigned, I'm probably looking at what I can get for LMA also. The "beautiful game" will never return with LMA in the middle, as great as he was this season.

    There will be a ton of dominoes falling if Kawhi doesn't come back.
    Comepletely agree... He needs to be traded... The game is changing more each year...

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    I agree on selling high on Aldridge. LMA + Jayson Tatum isn't making the Spurs compe ive with Golden State, so might as well go the full rebuild. Sucks the NBA changed the tanking rules so you only get a 14% chance at the #1 pick if you're the worst record instead of the 25% chance it is this year.
    Matter of fact... I'd trade Aldridge for either Tatum or Jaylen Brown + fillers

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    Who knows. We read articles about Spurs' losing money last seasons, and now they have to face the divorce of the majority owners.

    I've said before that Kawhi could have played many games this season and still the Spurs would ask him for a paycut...Again, some small markets can't afford supermax-contracts. This next offseason, the Spurs could be one of them.
    They have afforded max contracts at every level. SuperMax is new, but there were plenty of articles that disputed SA losing money and in fact had them doing quite well.

    As revenues have jumped, with SAs willingness to pay max contracts before, I can’t see a reason why we would doubt them now.

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    Matter of fact... I'd trade Aldridge for either Tatum or Jaylen Brown + fillers
    Ainge would die laughing before he hung up the phone.

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    Did any of them go AWOL?



    LOL what is this stupid ?

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    Do we really have to deal with Porky for 4 more years Christ he looked gassed 90% of this season.

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    Do we really have to deal with Porky for 4 more years Christ he looked gassed 90% of this season.
    It's inevitable. You think Porky is going to retire knowing Pop will pay him and play him as long as he's on the roster?

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    Ainge would die laughing before he hung up the phone.

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    I agree with you, but I think he’s going to have to prove he can play, and secondly, this whole thing with his family now running his career (if that’s true) is going to have to be worked out. I can’t see Pop keeping anyone he can’t depend on, even a Kawhi.

    I hope this has all been injury related and the media blew it out of proportion, but I’ve just never seen anything like this in my 42 years as a Spurs fan. I’m perplexed, and really have no idea at this point how this will play out. My gut says he’ll be traded, my heart and Spurs soul says he’s a Spur for life and the two (three?) sides will work it out. Pop surprised me with the LMA handling this year, maybe he’ll do it again.
    In an even longer time as a Spurs fan I've not seen anything like this. Not sure if I can think of even an analogous situation non Spurs either.
    Even if healthy, you really have to think long and hard about a super max.

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    And if I'm SA, I'm seriously looking at LMA this summer too. He's carried us this season, there's no doubt, but he's also raised his value a lot with his play this year. The Spurs can't get to the promised land with LMA as the centerpiece, so if Kawhi can't go, or isn't resigned, I'm probably looking at what I can get for LMA also. The "beautiful game" will never return with LMA in the middle, as great as he was this season.

    There will be a ton of dominoes falling if Kawhi doesn't come back.
    I think that too. I could be wrong of course.

    I know Chinook argued in favor of a retooling and I tend to think they go that way too bc the franchise will be in a dire situation tanking and rebuilding in Pops last couple of years. There's a chance Pop retires too in that case. A rebuild takes time and in the meantime a HC will endure a long process of playing players that will leave, a lot of them will not be NBA talent, and will endure frustration. Pop did it in Pomona/Pfizer when he was a young coach, but will be have the stamina at his age at this stage? I don't know. I tend to think they will try to avoid tanking at any cost.

    But, it's a real possibility and understandable if Kiwi doesn't come back that they clean house. I think they will delay that tho for as long as they can.

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    They have afforded max contracts at every level. SuperMax is new, but there were plenty of articles that disputed SA losing money and in fact had them doing quite well.

    As revenues have jumped, with SAs willingness to pay max contracts before, I can’t see a reason why we would doubt them now.
    They stand to lose a lot more money if the team sucks and season ticketholders / sponsors bail. That is until they sell to the Seattle ownership group.

    The divorce = can’t afford it thing feels like pure speculation.

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    They have afforded max contracts at every level. SuperMax is new, but there were plenty of articles that disputed SA losing money and in fact had them doing quite well.

    As revenues have jumped, with SAs willingness to pay max contracts before, I can’t see a reason why we would doubt them now.
    Why do you think that I doubt the Spurs just because they could refuse to sign super-max deals in next years?

    I understand that they could have many valid reasons, financial small market issues, losing Pop in one-two years generates uncertainty as much as Holt divorce...

    $219M mean almost three decent players' salaries. If they trade Kawhi, they can get two-three good, young players...

    We don't know what Spurs' performances, FO and owners will expect after Pop's retirement. Will they be willing to spend money to build a contender in today super-teams league? Or a decent playoffs team could meet their expectations?

    I don't doubt the Spurs. I'm just saying that they couldn't afford super-max deals, which isn't a tragedy. In fact, we read media articles saying super-max contracts are aberrations that force small markets to put at risk their financial future.

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    The divorce won't play a part in whether they offer the super max.
    How do you know? Such divorces demand cash to settle and if parties don't agree it's hard to see them commit that money to an unknown prospect. It's likely to think if parts divide the money that they will want to take the most.

    If Kawhi was a secure prospect there wouldn't be any question as to offering the max, divorce or not. Now he's an unknown.

    You are en led to your own opinion, of course. I disagree, however.

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    Weird tbh. Makes sense that Kawhi and his posse got wind of the Spurs being wary of the supermax early in the season and it snowballed into what you see today.

    If Kawhi & Co. believed that the supermax was never in play then everything makes a lot more sense. Lot easier to leave a regular extension offer than a supermax offer.
    They probably couldn't get a guarantee & his uncle doesn't seem like he's interested in leaving any penny on the table.

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    How do you know? Such divorces demand cash to settle and if parties don't agree it's hard to see them commit that money to an unknown prospect. It's likely to think if parts divide the money that they will want to take the most.

    If Kawhi was a secure prospect there wouldn't be any question as to offering the max, divorce or not. Now he's an unknown.

    You are en led to your own opinion, of course. I disagree, however.
    It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Peter Holt doesn't have a say in all this. Yes they divorced and yes there is money/property to split, but Peter Holt has nothing to do with the Spurs anymore.

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    It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Peter Holt doesn't have a say in all this. Yes they divorced and yes there is money/property to split, but Peter Holt has nothing to do with the Spurs anymore.
    Did he sell his shares? He's not a Spurs' majority owner? We know he's not Spurs chairman anymore but he was still a majority owner this season.

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    Did he sell his shares? He's not a Spurs' majority owner? We know he's not Spurs chairman anymore but he was still a majority owner this season.
    Pretty sure his wife controls the spurs so i assume she will ultimately sign off on anything

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    Pretty sure his wife controls the spurs so i assume she will ultimately sign off on anything
    Agree. But Peter Holt is still a majority owner getting a divorce while his wife has to face the same situation.

    No one says this is the biggest issue in the super-max negotation but could be a factor.

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