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    Ma nga B:

    While Israel wants to keep Iran as a boogeyman to divert attention from its genocidal campaign against Palestinians, it does not want a large war. Hizbullah in Lebanon has enough missiles to make modern life in Israel untenable. A war on Iran could easily end up with Tel Aviv in flames.

    There are some people in the Trump administration who will want to wage war on Iran. The Bush administration also had such plans. But any war gaming of a campaign against Iran ended badly for the U.S. and its allied states. The Gulf countries are extremely vulnerable. Their oil output could be shut down within days. That situation has not changed. The U.S. is now in a worse strategic position than it was after the invasion of Iraq. As long as somewhat sane people lead the Pentagon they will urge the White House not to launch such an endeavor.

    The U.S. withdrawal from the nuclear deal is a huge mistake. Defense Secretary Mattis spoke against it. Will Trump make an even bigger mistake despite the opinion of his military advisors? Will he wage war on Iran?

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    this comment:

    Congrats to the dimwitted MAGAClowns.

    Your dumb god emperor is nothing more than a humiliated little poodle for the Israeli and Saudi regimes.

    Europe, Russia, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and China all just became a single unified block against the increasingly irrelevant American empire.

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    A very good take:


    The nuclear deal, for the United States, was an agreement by the previous president on a "plan of action" regarding restrictions on Iran's nuclear activities. This deal was not a treaty with advice and consent by the Senate according to the Cons ution. As long as some presidents ignore the Cons ution and make agreements on their own with other countries, they shouldn't be surprised when other presidents nullify them. (Bush-43 did the same thing on Iraq withdrawal as Obama did with Iran nuclear.)

    Participation of the U.S. in this plan of action is now canceled, and U.S. sanctions on Iran will be enhanced. There will be no United Nations sanctions, and probably the other parties to the agreement will adhere to the plan's strictures while increasing ties with Iran. The Trump withdrawal in fact clarifies the U.S. position which was dismissive of the plan anyhow, with the U.S. not adhering to its terms under the new president.

    This change may not hurt Iran much, as other parties to the plan continue to adhere to it and compensate for the U.S. withdrawal by using foreign currencies in Iran trade, etc. The price of oil is increasing and there is increased demand for it. Iran's ties with Russia, China and India are stronger than ever, and the latter two are in great need of petroleum. The change also reduces U.S. influence in Europe and elsewhere, which is not a bad thing because it reduces U.S. world hegemony.

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    I just heard Trump said Iran supported Al Qaeda in his speech today

    Is that true???

    Maga

    Iran - Al Qaeda

    Maga

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    "Today's action sends a critical message: the United States no longer makes empty threats,"

    Trump said.

    "When I make promises, I keep them."

    Trash is equating the USA with himself.

    "L'etat, c'est moi"

    and moi s everything, and esp things that knitter did

    What about the promise of health care for everyone, better and cheaper?



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    Jeff Flake in 2015: I strongly oppose Obama's Iran deal.

    Jeff Flake in 2018: We should have stayed in the Iran deal.

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    MISAGA

    Make Israeli and Saudi Armies Great Again

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    So Trump just took those jobs away from Americans.

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    Jeff Flake in 2015: I strongly oppose Obama's Iran deal.

    Jeff Flake in 2018: We should have stayed in the Iran deal.
    Flip floppin harder than John Kerry

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    Russia?

    You'll have to be more specific.

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    where is the "definitive proof"? that Iran cheated?

    And where is Trash's better deal?

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    Barack Obama

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    There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That’s why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.

    The reality is clear.

    The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense.

    The JCPOA is in America’s interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran’s nuclear program.

    And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea.

    Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.


    That is why today’s announcement is so misguided.

    Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America’s closest allies, and an agreement that our country’s leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated.

    In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next.

    But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America’s credibility, and puts us at odds with the world’s major powers.


    Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive.

    So it’s important to review several facts about the JCPOA.


    First,

    the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran.


    It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.


    Second,

    the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran’s nuclear program.


    For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran's nuclear program and achieved real results.


    Third,

    the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran’s nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran’s entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.


    Fourth,

    Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal,

    and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).


    Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire.

    The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won’t happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.


    Finally,

    the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran.


    We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors.

    But that’s precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

    Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained.

    Our ability to confront Iran’s destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.


    Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake.

    Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East.

    We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon.

    It could embolden an already dangerous regime;

    threaten our friends with destruction;

    pose unacceptable dangers to America’s own security; and

    trigger an arms race in the world’s most dangerous region.

    If the constraints on Iran’s nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.


    In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies.

    Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe.

    https://www.facebook.com/barackobama...55854913976749

    Trash couldn't write the above. I bet Trash is dyslexic and/or otherwise mentally and emotionally ED UP

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    "Did I say Muslim? I meant Christian faith! Yeah, that's the ticket!"

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    Chris tries to push the fake news again.

    SAD

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    "Did I say Muslim? I meant Christian faith! Yeah, that's the ticket!"

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    Chris tries to push the same fake news three times.

    He's shook.

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    Chris tries to push the same fake news three times.

    He's shook.
    It was almost like George was pulling the strings the way he talked down to Barry like that. Lawdy!

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    MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: You mentioned your Christian faith. Yesterday, you took after the Republicans for suggesting you have Muslim connections. Just a few minutes ago, Rick Davis, John McCain’s campaign manager, said they’ve never done that. This is a false and cynical attempt to play victim.

    SEN. OBAMA:
    You know what, these guys love to throw a rock and hide their hands.

    MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: But the McCain campaign has never suggested you have Muslim connections.


    SEN. OBAMA: No. No. No. But I don’t think that when you look at what is being promulgated on Fox News, let’s say, and Republican commentators who are closely allied to these folks …


    MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: But John McCain said that’s wrong.


    SEN. OBAMA: Listen, you and I both know that the minute that Governor Palin was forced to talk about her daughter, I immediately said that’s off limits. And …


    MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: And John McCain said the same thing about questioning your faith.


    SEN. OBAMA: And what was the first thing the McCain campaign went out and did? They said, look, these liberal blogs that support Obama are out there attacking Governor Palin. Let’s not play games. What I was suggesting — you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith, and you’re absolutely right that that has not come …


    MR. STEPHANOPOULOS (interrupting): Your Christian faith.


    SEN. OBAMA: My Christian faith — well, what I’m saying is


    MR. STEPHANOPOULOS (interrupting): Connections, right.


    SEN. OBAMA: … that he hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim, and I think that his campaign upper echelons haven’t either. What I think is fair to say is that coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I’m not what who I say I am when it comes to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time.

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    It was almost like George was pulling the strings the way he talked down to Barry like that. Lawdy!
    No. It's not like that at all.

    You're so shook.

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    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...293326849.html

    Great read if you want to know the details (Iran deal)

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    Truth nuke imho


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    Crazy that Bibi Netanyahu will be the message piegon for Trump to Putin

    This is a ed up world


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    Im sure Bibi, Putin and Trump are planning a concensus

    None can be trusted tbqh

    Bibi is a snake
    Putin an ex KGB
    And Trump a moron

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