There is No God (And You Know It)

[cecil collins]

I disagree. I think people who cling to belief in a higher power or an afterlife are deathly afraid of the idea that this may be it. There is no higher power looking out for us or making sense of seemingly random acts. There is no afterlife in which we are rewarded for all of the good things that we do that go unseen. We will not be reunited with our loved ones after death, once they're gone, they're gone. We are alone in a cold and dark universe that will someday itself die and then there will be nothing.

These aren't comforting thoughts and I think to accept these sobering ideas as your reality takes just as much introspection as believing in God.

So get off your soapbox and quit looking down on people who have opinions that are different from your own.

Agreed. It's easy to never question what your parents taught you to believe from the time you were to young to tie your shoes.

[cecil collins]

perhaps. but until i see another with the balls to speak the truth

Takes a lot of balls to perpetuate some rhetoric that has been spewed for thousands of years.

i am a mirror. people can look away if they cannot handle the truth.

What makes it the truth?

[jochhejaam]

You could live a good life, be kind, generous, and loving, but if you don't give God his due, he will be vengeful.

If you lived a good life, were kind, generous and loving yet ignored, disowned and utterly and completely failed to acknowledge those that had provided you with the attention, love and nurture you needed in order for you to even exist, then you should be branded as nothinig more than a hypocrite for imagining that you could possibly qualify as one that would trumpet the mantra of "being a good person" with any sense of conviction.

[Mr. Peabody]

If you lived a good life, were kind, generous and loving yet ignored, disowned and utterly and completely failed to acknowledge those that had provided you with the attention, love and nurture you needed in order for you to even exist,

So if I ignore, disown and utterly and completely fail to acknowledge those that provided me with life, I deserve eternal damnation? That seems a little extreme. I would think that all of you would be a little more kind to your loved ones. In that sense, I guess we are superior to God in that we can forgive those that we love and not wish harm upon them no matter their actions.
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[Mr. Peabody]

I'm sorry but as much as you spin it.. Eternal sounds much worse than non existance.

I don't know. Non-existence is very frightening to us in the Western world. It is evident in that our concept of the afterlife involves us maintaining our iden y. To have that iden y extinguished,never to return, is a scary thought for many.
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[BronxCowboy]

I guess I'm in the wrong place. I thought this was the political forum (?)

[jochhejaam]

Do you really think God is vengeful? Isn't that a somewhat negative trait to have? I mean, c'mon, if God really is vengeful and holds grudges because you don't believe in him or don't worship him, doesn't that make him somewhat of an ass? You know, it's like being all-powerful and creating the universe is not enough for this guy.

Do you know the absolutes that God asks us to live by and if you do which of those do you have a problem with?

There are laws all over the place and if we break them is that the fault of those that established the perameters of what is and isn't acceptable or does the fault lie with those that knew the parameters and willfully chose to exceed those boundaries. Do you seriously define that as God being vengeful? What does our breaking laws have to do with the lawgiver being vengeful?

Let me help you with the answer, there isn't anything approaching vengence there. The asses are the ones that think they can ignore laws with total immunity and aren't responsible enough to accept the consequences when they breach existing law.

[jochhejaam]

[QUOTE]

So if I ignore, disown and utterly and completely fail to acknowledge those that provided me with life, I deserve eternal damnation? That seems a little extreme.

It's applied evenly, applies to everyone and it is what it is. Feel free to take it up with God if you choose, He'll listen, it's up to you to decide if you wish to learn to figure out how to look and listen for His response, it's there if you want it bad enough.

I would think that all of you would be a little more kind to your loved ones. In that sense, I guess we are superior to God in that we can forgive those that we love and not wish harm upon them no matter their actions.

You're just beggin' for scriputer Peabod...not just yet.
He doesn't wish anyone harm, that's why He makes His precepts and tenets we are to live by and the consequence of ignoring them crystal clear. If we break those guidelines and ask for forgiveness then forgiveness is what we get.

[jochhejaam]

I guess I'm in the wrong place. I thought this was the political forum (?)

No problemo, you are forgiven for you transgression.

[smeagol]

perhaps. but until i see another with the balls to speak the truth, i will carry on and carry the torch. but you are right, i am only beginning to see and i am still blind.

maybe i am doing a ty job. i will take your criticism to heart and concentrate on reading the Bible much more than I have. my intention is to bring non-believers, such as yourself, into the fold, not push them further away.

but why fear a condescending opinion? unless one has insecurity about their own self-truths. my opinion does not matter one bit to anyone but myself. as it is with anyone. as it should be. what you are saying is that you do not want anyone judging you and refuse to put yourself in a surrounding where you might be judged, in a surrouding, where you feel the people their will believe their don't stink.

i've got news for you. my stinks. i don't pretend to be holier than thou. i readily admit my ignorance, but it is something i don't like and something i will fight to overcome. i am not here to pass judgement. i refuse to pass judgement. i let peoples own words pass judgement on themselves. if it appears as condescending, then so be it.

i am a mirror. people can look away if they cannot handle the truth.

but i do love you, man. and i definitely respect you.

i know you have Good intentions, so please continue with any constructive criticism as I feel it helps me to post better.

I mean this sincerely,

Thanks.


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[gtownspur]

I don't know. Non-existence is very frightening to us in the Western world. It is evident in that our concept of the afterlife involves us maintaining our iden y. To have that iden y extinguished,never to return, is a scary thought for many.

Its not that it's scary. Its that its incomprhensible. Let me give you an example. IF you took a poll(excluding CBF, OH Gee, and Guru of Nothing), and asked wether you'd rather take it in the anus eternally by a large hung demon than not exist. You'd get a unaninmous "I'd rather be extinct!!"

[bigzak25]

Takes a lot of balls to perpetuate some rhetoric that has been spewed for thousands of years.

What makes it the truth?

perpetuate some rhetoric?

excuse you.

what do you think your doing?

the non-believers have been spewing just as long my friend.

what makes you think you have the truth.

I have the following:

Love conquers all.
Truth sets you free.

JESUS IS LOVE AND JESUS SET US ALL FREE.

what do you have?

So if I ignore, disown and utterly and completely fail to acknowledge those that provided me with life, I deserve eternal damnation? That seems a little extreme. I would think that all of you would be a little more kind to your loved ones. In that sense, I guess we are superior to God in that we can forgive those that we love and not wish harm upon them no matter their actions.

you guess wrong.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.

checkmate.

Its not that it's scary. Its that its incomprhensible. Let me give you an example. IF you took a poll(excluding CBF, OH Gee, and Guru of Nothing), and asked wether you'd rather take it in the anus eternally by a large hung demon than not exist. You'd get a unaninmous "I'd rather be extinct!!"

there are many people in this world that are raped by a 'demon' so to speak. it is horrific, sad, and unfortunate that such a traumatic experience does in fact rob them of their iden ies and thus may have a propensity to make them 'extinct' as you so eloquently put it. it is therefore, not as incomprehensible as you may think, my friend.

[gtownspur]

^lighten up. I'm sorry if it hit home because of someone you know, that was not my intention. I was just trying to prove a point by using extremes. Unfortunately it was taken as a blanket endorsement of rape.

[gtownspur]

I'd also like to point out that 99.9% of the time people chose "self extinction", it is not done in a stable state of mind that would decide whether such things as eternal damnation or annihalation are more desirable.

[Nbadan]

Repenting has never been easier - IGOD

[RandomGuy]

It always boils down to the question, "Where did matter come from?"

Matter is composed of very tiny strings osciallating at different frequencies. These tiny strings came from the collision of two 11 (or 26)dimensional membranes and the oscillation of that impact (think of the surface of a busy swimming pool) caused some points of those two membranes to be closer together than other points. Wherever those two membranes were closer, matter clumped.

Or at least that is what quantum physics has come up with so far. This has some interesting implications, like parallel dimensions.

[RandomGuy]

NIMA ARKANI-HAMED (Harvard University): Gravity certainly does not look weak in everyday life. It's responsible for keeping our feet on the ground and keeping Earth spinning around the Sun and so on, but actually gravity is incredibly weak compared to the, to the other forces. This is easy to appreciate if you take an ordinary refrigerator magnet and stick it on top of a metal pin. We all know this fridge magnet will actually pick that pin up off the table, so that sort of dramatically illustrates how feeble gravity is compared even to the magnetic force of a tiny fridge magnet.

LISA RANDALL: It turns out that there are very new ideas on how to explain the weakness of gravity if we have extra dimensions.

NARRATOR: When M Theory emerged, Randall and her colleagues wondered if it might provide the explanation. Could gravity be leaking from our Universe into the empty space of the eleventh dimensions?

NIMA ARKANI-HAMED: Gravity might only appear to be weak even though it's fundamentally just as strong as everything else because it dilutes its strength out in all these extra dimensions that we can't see.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon...unitrans.shtml

[RandomGuy]

Or...

You can try to understand this bit:
The main problem in Cosmology is: where does MASS comes from, at the most fundamental level? To find that answer physicists try to find via large accelerators the Higgs boson which should be a spin-zero particle with nonzero mass.

The central point of our approach is that MASS is created by a very special non-ecludian manifold. We call that manifold: a pelastration. By movements of a space - which has an infinite elastic membrane - parts of that space can be doubled, ... that way creating - locally - a new dimension (or layer) of a part of that same space. It's at first sight a paradox, but it is in fact adding a kind of 'isolated' part. The incident manifold location acts like a type of pressure valve, a wormhole. A new double layered tube is created with other internal conditions (tension, space curvature, horizon, density, ....), and general and specific local movements create friction between the layers ... creating resonance and all other interactions (EM, strong and weak forces).
This pelastration approach is not contradictory to most basics of the Superstring theory and M-Brane theory. (To us the Kaluza-Klein approach contains anti-unification elements since it creates discrete 'traps' which boundary/brane origin is mystic again. In stead of simplifying KK makes it even more complex). When we start from a MAMA-Brane which is unbreakable, and super-elastic (but has it's limits in stretchability) then the Mama-Brane can create strings, which are thus parts of the brane. The basic 'difference' to all previous scientific approaches is that the Brane (and following sub-branes) is unbreakable. That's essential. The creation of a string can start on two levels: (1) starting via an outer bending of the Mama-Brane, or (2) starting via an inner bending of the Mama-Brane. (more). This has implications on the further layering since the center tube will be different. (see layering paradoxes)
Essential is the possibility to couple parts of the Mama-Brane. This goes by complete penetrations (several types), called pelastrations.
This new type of Branification approach explains the essential boundaries to understand 'gauge' levels of spin. What we call Spin is thus caused by orientation or layer-history.
The essence of string theory: 'The subatomic particles we see in nature are nothing more than different resonances of the vibrating superstrings' is also respected in this approach. Resonances are however mechanical string-contacts, and not 'magic' fiels.

Different combinations of these manifolds and combinations with other types of connections create the basic particles of our Universe, thus: leptons, quarks and mediators (bosons). The black area (below) is only a section of the membrane.
The combinations of these basic particles create the more dense levels of matter as we know them. Each time a connection is made with another tube the qualities or appearance changes.

Since the original space (Void) is surrounded by an unbreakable almost infinite elastic membrane each particle is in fact connected with each other by the membrane which becomes thus gravity. [You can compare this with the blood-vessel system in our body: there is only one wand (blood cells can flow anywhere inside)]. The small tubes have internal shifting layer movements which provoke specific vibrations in the total microtube, that way creating resonance with other similar microtubes in the neighborhood or through the common membrane. Such interactions create the weak, electromagnetic and strong forces.
A microtube can be called a quantum package, a wave, a particle, a string ...depending from the observers point of view ... but the tube concept adds the common membrane which acts as the graviton field. Only with one starting 'membrane tube' everything can be explained. This approach can although also be applied on a torus which gives a more complex approach....

http://www.mu6.com/

It gets wierder, too...

[boutons]

Yes, quantum physics is weird and getting weirder, beyond rationalism, mathematics, intuition. yes, even getting into, horrors!!, meta-physics.

Literal Bible thumpers, IDer's, creationists look stupider with every passing day. They are a living insult to humanity, and God.

[jochhejaam]

Literal Bible thumpers, IDer's, creationists look stupider with every passing day. They are a living insult to humanity, and God.

Creationists are an insult to God? Presuming God thinks that those that support his creativity are stupid is the pinnacle of arrogance and stupidity At least your consistent.

[Mr. Peabody]

Creationists are an insult to God? Presuming God thinks that those that support his creativity are stupid is the pinnacle of arrogance and stupidity At least your consistent.

Well, if God gave you the faculties to inquire about your surroundings and search for answers and explanations in the universe, he might look down on those who merely accept what they have been told, instead of using the intelligence he blessed them with to seek answers for themselves.
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[jochhejaam]

Well, if God gave you the faculties to inquire about your surroundings and search for answers and explanations in the universe, he might look down on those who merely accept what they have been told, instead of using the intelligence he blessed them with to seek answers for themselves.

Which is what Creationist scientists are doing but not to the exclusion of God... o!

[JoeChalupa]

God is good...God is healthy and wise.

[RandomGuy]

Which is what Creationist scientists are doing but not to the exclusion of God... o!

Creationist "scientists"



Say that again.

Creationist scientists attempt at ever turn to dismiss evolution, and turn their backs on their god-given intellects.

Heh, I noticed that nobody has tried to explain the Babel Fish yet...

[gtownspur]

The scientific method can only discredit the genesis account. But it can't discredit the theory of Divine creation. You cannot prove that There was Divine creation and you also cant disprove it.