Our mistake was believing Kawhi Leonard was Tim Duncan

[spurraider21]

wonder if ducks logs in on other people's computers while "fixing" them and forgets to logout tbh

[ducks]

ducks does not log on to spurstalk on other peoples computers

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What makes you think Pop wasn't always like this before 2014?

Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Everyone seems to be dealing with this news with the aid of his own confirmation bias. I can only judge the actual actions or nonactions of Kawhi as weak sauce.

Here's the thing, I don't ever recall Pop pulling something like that until last year. Specifically, they were on a big losing streak (think it was the longest under Pop ever or something like that). Everyone was saying the Spurs were in a funk and needed a change.

Then it comes out Pop made the team watch the civil rights stuff in film breakdown instead of addressing problems. What struck me was that even Manu came out after and said that they needed to change what they were doing and how they were approaching the issues around the losses, etc. It seemed even Manu was frustrated with watching the SJW stuff while the losses continued to pile up.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That was before Spurstalk but it might have been when some of us were on one of two other forums. Honestly, I don't remember talking about it much on the internet.

The Tim to Orlando thing was pre-spurstalk. But on the predecessor forum, yeah, it was a full on meltdown, especially when some reports hit that Tim was gone (I wanna say that came through Don Harris?).

[Pavlov]

Here's the thing, I don't ever recall Pop pulling something like that until last year. Specifically, they were on a big losing streak (think it was the longest under Pop ever or something like that). Everyone was saying the Spurs were in a funk and needed a change.

Then it comes out Pop made the team watch the civil rights stuff in film breakdown instead of addressing problems. What struck me was that even Manu came out after and said that they needed to change what they were doing and how they were approaching the issues around the losses, etc. It seemed even Manu was frustrated with watching the SJW stuff while the losses continued to pile up.

You think they just explicitly didn't address problems on the court at all because they watched something about civil rights?

It's total SpursTalk to read your own agenda into whatever you see in the media.

[Chinook]

Here's the thing, I don't ever recall Pop pulling something like that until last year. Specifically, they were on a big losing streak (think it was the longest under Pop ever or something like that). Everyone was saying the Spurs were in a funk and needed a change.

Then it comes out Pop made the team watch the civil rights stuff in film breakdown instead of addressing problems. What struck me was that even Manu came out after and said that they needed to change what they were doing and how they were approaching the issues around the losses, etc. It seemed even Manu was frustrated with watching the SJW stuff while the losses continued to pile up.

They were doing stuff like that in 2014. Patty was talking about it after winning the le. Trump may have made him worse (like he did everyone else), but this isn't a new tact by the coach at all.

[poop]

It was all there for anyone to see.

Recall the times when Pop over the past 2-3 years talked about dumb stuff like "who cares about basketball, NASA found new planets today", or when they were on the losing streak last year and instead of figuring out how to stop it, Pop had them sit and watch videos about the civil rights movement, as if his $500/bottle of wine per night ass would know anything about the plight of minorities in this country.

Meanwhile, the press would ask Kawhi what he thought and he'd say he just wanted to keep improving and become the best basketball player in the world and win more les.

As much as Pop talks about players needing to get over themselves, Pop never got over himself or the idea that all of his players should march to the beat of his drum or else. Kawhi's had a singular focus and drive to be the best player in the world since he was drafted, and Pop was too busy virtue signaling to adjust how he handled Kawhi or the organization as a whole.

Not laying this all at Pop's feet, but how he's gone about his comments to the press and how he's handled the team since they won that le in 2014 is just tone deaf relative to Kawhi's focus.

yes times a million. Pop is the one that never got over himself, his ego has only grown over the years to the point where hes now gone full hollywood-style, completely aloof virtue-signaling lib . Hes decisions have done tremendous damage to the franchise, damage which is is only starting to reveal itself.

[poop]

Thanks for admitting you talk about politics while you're supposed to be working.

Like thats the same thing as Pop

Pop has an enormous platform as Dictator..i mean Coach of the spurs franchise and has chosen to use his position to audition for a job with CNN

He is in the entertainment business and deliberately chose to rain onto half his team's fanbase, completely unnecessarily, for no other reason than he is still butthurt that Hillary lost and his massive ego needed to show it was outraged as loudly and publically as possible

[Pavlov]

Like thats the same thing as Pop

Pop has an enormous platform as Dictator..i mean Coach of the spurs franchise and has chosen to use his position to audition for a job with CNN

He is in the entertainment business and deliberately chose to rain onto half his team's fanbase, completely unnecessarily, for no other reason than he is still butthurt that Hillary lost and his massive ego needed to show it was outraged as loudly and publically as possible

You're such a snowflake.

[daslicer]

Amazing how a bunch of Trump s have hijacked this thread. I can't see how Pop hating Trump has anything to do with how Kawhi is nothing like Duncan. Trump s have to be the biggest re s out there.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's strange how Trump supporters think this has ANYTHING to do with Pop's politics

In a very liberal league where the marquee players constantly criticize Trump, they think Kawhi Leonard(of all people lol) is upset that Pop has political opinions?

[callo1]

Unless we were to believe the report from March stating that Kawhi wanted Pop to go easier on him in practice.

Hardly the focus of a person who wants to be a player who wants to be great.

That's why I am not believing a thing coming from the media. I will wait until either Kawhi or the organization speaks.

[poop]

You're such a snowflake.

Cannot challenge the facts, resort to simple name-calling. Standard lib procedure.

[Pavlov]

Cannot challenge the facts, resort to simple name-calling. Standard lib procedure.

I acknowledge the fact your feelings were hurt by meanies.

[ducks]

do not agree with liberals you are a racist

[daslicer]

do not agree with liberals you are a racist

do not agree with conservatives and you are unpatriotic.

[poop]

I acknowledge the fact your feelings were hurt by meanies.

In other words, your party's entire platform

[poop]

do not agree with liberals you are a racist

Exactly. Great sig btw

[exstatic]

It's strange how Trump supporters think this has ANYTHING to do with Pop's politics

In a very liberal league where the marquee players constantly criticize Trump, they think Kawhi Leonard(of all people lol) is upset that Pop has political opinions?

The same was pedaled by the same posters about Dedmon and why he left.

It's completely ridiculous to think that any black NBA player would be upset about Pop calling Trump a racist. Black athletes across all sports and across the country are rejecting invites to the WH after winning les.

[Pavlov]

In other words, your party's entire platform

A party's entire platform was your feelings were hurt by Pop?

[poop]

The same was pedaled by the same posters about Dedmon and why he left.

It's completely ridiculous to think that any black NBA player would be upset about Pop calling Trump a racist. Black athletes across all sports and across the country are rejecting invites to the WH after winning les.

Because they have been told 24/7 by the media for the last 3 years that he is a 'racist monster'-which is not true and absurd- and they lack either the inclination or the capacity to actually think for themselves, so whatever headlines the media screams at them is what they just assume is true.

[tholdren]

Who the believed he was?

Any nba fan from the lebron era on..

[weebo]

It wasn't OUR mistake. It was POP's mistake.

He thought Kawhi would feel like Tim about Spurs...Tim always felt Pop as a father, a friend, and the Spurs are his family. That wasn't Kawhi's case.

Kawhi only wanted to become one of the best player in the world, he didn't want a new family.

If you watch videos of his few interviews, he always said he only wants to get better and help the team to win. If you hear him, unlike the Big3 talking about the Spurs as a family, Kawhi never said that.

Some people aren't willing to accept that Pop made a mistake but he already did it. He never read well Kawhi's situation and now the Spurs lost a top-5 player.

Leonard is getting paid millions of dollars to play a kid's game--the least you can do is pretend to care about the team, the organization, its fans--I don't get why people would support this type of behavior. It's one thing to ask for a trade (many players have done so), but to hide behind your uncle, scam the organization of its money, not show your face, have your sister speak on your behalf on social media?? Wow, what a chicken coward. Why would anyone want admire a guy like that is beyond me....smh

[TDfan2007]

It's strange how Trump supporters think this has ANYTHING to do with Pop's politics

In a very liberal league where the marquee players constantly criticize Trump, they think Kawhi Leonard(of all people lol) is upset that Pop has political opinions?

Agree 100%

Pop speaking his mind really got them worked up


Aside from his "we live in a racist country" comment (there are plenty of racists, but most other countries are far worse, and most Americans aren't overtly racist), most of his comments are about basic human decency and haven't really served to alienate conservatives or Republicans...imo

[TDfan2007]

Getting back on track, as for the Kawhi/Timmy leadership comparisons, they're pretty unfair to Kawhi, tbh. Timmy was one of the greatest leaders and teammates in sports history. He was always a great teammate, then slowly morphed into a leader. By 2002-2003, the Spurs were his team in every sense, and he really started to embrace that "big brother" role. As many posters here already mentioned, Timmy's emotional intelligence was off the charts, and he's always been a genuinely great guy who cared about his teammates. Kawhi, up to this point, has become a go-to guy on the court, but hasn't shown any signs of being a great teammate or leader.

The only reason why people have made the comparison is because both are quiet gym rats...at least quiet with the media. The similarities end there.