Are there any Forbes apologists left?

[SpurPadre]

1. Cherry picking. That point has already been addressed.
2. Not his fault his role is as big as it is. Has also been addressed.

You're contradicting yourself. After claiming I'm cherry picking you fallback to the apologist take that it's not his fault his role is as big as it is. You can't have it both ways and say his role is insignificant after seeing that he has the most minutes played among negative net rating players. Furthermore, the MAIN point is that whether you want to apologize for him and blame injuries, the fact remains that he has no business on a starting lineup for a team vying for the playoffs and extending their longest streak in league history.

[FkLA]

You're contradicting yourself. After claiming I'm cherry picking you fallback to the apologist take that it's not his fault his role is as big as it is. You can't have it both ways and say his role is insignificant after seeing that he has the most minutes played among negative net rating players. Furthermore, the MAIN point is that whether you want to apologize for him and blame injuries, the fact remains that he has no business on a starting lineup for a team vying for the playoffs and extending their longest streak in league history.

The point is going over your head. He doesn't cost the Spurs any flexibility financially and he shouldn't see this many minutes with a healthy Murray+White. Is he playing a significant role this year out of necessity? Sure but that doesn't mean he's a significant reason why the Spurs suck (injuries, nephew, roster construction, Mill+Gasol contracts are all wayyyyy bigger reasons).

[SpurPadre]

The point is going over your head. He doesn't cost the Spurs any flexibility financially and he shouldn't see this many minutes with a healthy Murray+White. Is he playing a significant role this year out of necessity? Sure but that doesn't mean he's a significant reason why the Spurs suck (injuries, nephew, roster construction, Mill+Gasol contracts are all wayyyyy bigger reasons).

No, it's going over YOUR head. I already made a point out of stating that the financial excuse is just that, an excuse, a copout. There was no plan B after Murray went down and PATFO simply went with a subpar player starting for the rest of the season. And the fact that he's logging close to 30 minutes a game and taking many shots a game is one of many key reasons we suck. You're also moving the goal post, tbh.

[FkLA]

No, it's going over YOUR head. I already made a point out of stating that the financial excuse is just that, an excuse, a copout. There was no plan B after Murray went down and PATFO simply went with a subpar player starting for the rest of the season. And the fact that he's logging close to 30 minutes a game and taking many shots a game is one of many key reasons we suck. You're also moving the goal post, tbh.

In what way am I moving goal posts?

"There was no plan B after Murray went down" ...that is Forbes' fault how?

You act like the Spurs would go back to relevancy if Forbes wasn't playing. We stopped being legit contenders way before the injuries and before Forbes started playing 30 MPG. Reason #1 is nephew. A couple other reasons are the Pau+Paddy contracts, giving up Danny Green, wasting a good portion of the MLE to bring in Belli instead of bringing in perimeter defense, not getting Anunoby/Siakam in the trade, DeRozan being who we thought he was. A $3 mill/yr guy not being a legitimate starter is the least of our worries.

[SpurPadre]

In what way am I moving goal posts?

"There was no plan B after Murray went down" ...that is Forbes' fault how?

You act like the Spurs would go back to relevancy if Forbes wasn't playing. We stopped being legit contenders way before the injuries and before Forbes started playing 30 MPG. Reason #1 is nephew. A couple other reasons are the Pau+Paddy contracts, giving up Danny Green, wasting a good portion of the MLE to bring in Belli instead of bringing in perimeter defense, not getting Anunoby/Siakam in the trade, DeRozan being who we thought he was. A $3 mill/yr guy not being a legitimate starter is the least of our worries.

You're moving goal posts because you initially stated that Forbes doesn't bring anything of significance that is harmful to the team. I countered that with numbers that refutes that he's an insignificant part of the team. You then fall back on the "it's not his fault, Murray was injured" bull and I point out how that argument is neither here nor there. He still has a job to do and he's doing it miserably. If my boss gave me added responsibility and promoted me to a position I have no experience in, sure I can blame him when I up but I also have a role to play and actually LEARN how to improve at the role I was given. As it is, he has the worst PER, RPM, BPM, and VORP among the starters and is among the worst in those areas in the whole team all while having the 3rd most minutes played in the team. He isn't simply someone who's laying low innocently and to think otherwise is being an apologist determined to protect him.

[FkLA]

You're moving goal posts because you initially stated that Forbes doesn't bring anything of significance that is harmful to the team. I countered that with numbers that refutes that he's an insignificant part of the team.

I have the biggest urge to call you a dumbass but I won't because you're a fellow Mexican.

You're completely misinterpreting what I meant. Calling him insignificant doesn't mean he isn't currently getting big minutes. I said he is insignificant in the grand scheme of things and explained how that is the case in a couple of my other posts (including the one you quoted).

You then fall back on the "it's not his fault, Murray was injured" bull and I point out how that argument is neither here nor there. He still has a job to do and he's doing it miserably.

He hasn't done it miserably. Overall he's done pretty well all things considered. Regardless though, even if we go along and pretend he has been miserable it's unfair to fault him for not making the jump from an end of the bench guy to legitimate starter in a span of a few months.

If my boss gave me added responsibility and promoted me to a position I have no experience in, sure I can blame him when I up but I also have a role to play and actually LEARN how to improve at the role I was given.

It's actually more like if you're not that smart, were never meant to be in a leadership position but your boss dies and you're thrown into the fire. You don't get a raise either. Then you get from people for not being as good as the old boss who was actually competent.

As it is, he has the worst PER, RPM, BPM, and VORP among the starters and is among the worst in those areas in the whole team all while having the 3rd most minutes played in the team. He isn't simply someone who's laying low innocently and to think otherwise is being an apologist determined to protect him.

Terrible argument.

Get the pitchforks because he's not as good as 3 former Top 10 picks who have a bunch of all-star selections and 20 PPG season under their belt! Get the pitchforks because he isn't as good as the great White!

He probably has the 3rd most minutes because he's been healthy all year and White+Gay (who are clearly better) haven't. But that wouldn't fit your agenda so you conveniently leave it out.

[BlackAndWhite]

He got hurt

[slick'81]

Our 3 million dollar savior is doooown

[timtonymanu]

The point is going over your head. He doesn't cost the Spurs any flexibility financially and he shouldn't see this many minutes with a healthy Murray+White. Is he playing a significant role this year out of necessity? Sure but that doesn't mean he's a significant reason why the Spurs suck (injuries, nephew, roster construction, Mill+Gasol contracts are all wayyyyy bigger reasons).

It was brought up in the thread earlier but it’s way more annoying that Mills gets paid 12 million a year to barely match Forbes’s current production. Padre will cite Mills being more playoff ready and whatever but let’s be honest Mills was trash in the playoffs sans 2014 and the first round series against the Clips in 2015.

[stu scotts eye]

Somewhere in my short post history I also was never a long term fan of Forbes. I recall when he and Mills started at the beginning of the year. Yuck for defense

[$pursDynasty]

The real question is, are there any Patty apologists left??? Where the is Dabom? Even he can't defend Patty's putrid play.

[GusT15]

The real question is, are there any Patty apologists left??? Where the is Dabom? Even he can't defend Patty's putrid play.

I think Dabom pissed off LJ so much with his stupidity he might have gotten himself IP banned.

[SAGirl]

I wanted to start a thread about him about a month ago but i let him some games to see..... he's such a liability on defense and what i don't understand is him playing nearly 30 minutes a game and that's on pop.

He was pretty good offensively during three months but you can't play him 30 minutes maybe 15 for some 3's. For the last month he's shooting 37% on 2's and 32% on 3's, that's pretty bad ( under 30 % and 14% on 3's last two weeks) especially if you considers that's his main and almost strenght.

I have been saying for a long time he could give you a spark in 15 minutes when you need shooting. He's just playing too many minutes right now and is being relied on for too much. A good part of that is injury but it's also been on Pop. They clearly felt he was their man since last year where he also had stretches when he was overplayed. I'd love to have him at his salary in a more limited role/minutes but have hated him getting overplayed.