Eliminated by a 2nd Rd. Team yet no changes aside from Murray?

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Impossible to say, because so much is based on what else happens in the League. If Durant stays, Kawhi goes to the Clippers, and a Western conference team gets Zion, the West could be tougher. If Durant, Kawhi, Butler, Irving, Kemba, & Zion all play in the East, it could make the West a little easier. Also, obviously, who the Spurs get in the draft. Right now, barring injuries, I'd say a 52-55 win season/WCF appearance is within reach.

Hypothetically we match up well with anybody going forward tbh. We have 2 elite defenders for guards and that will help with guarding: Rockets, Blazers, Jazz, Thunder, and even somewhat the Warriors (if Durant leaves).

The problem is still SF. Idk what the Spurs will do to address the situation, but clearly Rudy Gay isn’t the answer. I assume Kawhi is going to the Clippers and that will be a bad match up. Also if Durant stays then we are screwed either way but we wouldn’t match up well. Denver is a wild card tbh

so standing pat isn’t a dumb idea but it isn’t smart either. This draft (or the next one) will kinda determine the outlook for the next couple years. No pressure RC

Good posts.

[itzsoweezee]

So you're a Spurs fan?

I've been a Spurs fan since the Robinson years. I know what front office incompetence looks like. Guess you don't

[itzsoweezee]

Facts. These fluffers are so delusional that they forget that they were trashing these losers DD, LMA, and Gay for never having "it" before they were Spurs, saying that they can never win.

Lol, they will never admit this. These dudes were mediocre even before the sprawlball era. Now they're just antiquated and the roster is full of them. The league had passed this front office by. You hate to see it

[rjv]

This sort of delusion is amazing. I guess tell yourself whatever it takes to get yourself to sleep at night, but the Spurs have zero shot at a top 4 seed next year and absolutely are not getting out of the first round.

All of these teams will be better than San Antonio next year: GSW, LAC, DEN, POR, HOU. And that's not even considering LAL, DAL, OKC. The Spurs will be lucky to get the 8 seed.

LMA is going to be past his prime, DDR will be a net negative player (again), Murray can't score, Lonnie will essentially play his rookie year and be on a very short leash, the 2 first round picks will get next to no playing time. It all adds up to a big pile of mediocrity. If the front office is smart, they'll try to get out of the LMA/DDR/Mills contract, but who are we kidding, we know that's not going to happen.

i think what i got most out of this post is that for every overly optimistic projection for the upcoming season (based partially on unverified presumptions and hopes) there's an equally overly pessimistic projection (based partially on unverified presumptions and doubts).

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs are clearly behind the Warriors (perhaps even without KD, if they keep everyone else) and a notch behind the Rockets (though it will be quite hard for them to improve). Any other team can be had in a 7-game series. Getting Murray back should be an improvement at least on par with internal improvements by any other team.

[exstatic]

This series may have broken the Rockets. They had a great chance, but now have been shown that GS doesn't need KD to absolutely kick their asses. There's really no path forward for them.

[Pavlov]

I've been a Spurs fan since the Robinson years. I know what front office incompetence looks like. Guess you don't

You want the Robinson era FOs back?

[Realdeal1]

Draft and develop .. that's the key to success for the Spurs .. everyone knows we can't attract big names free agents

[JeffDuncan]

It isn't about attracting them, it's about paying them. Sad to say, they expect to be paid. The Spurs don't have $25 million lying around unused.

[jmard5]

The Spurs personnel were designed with Kawhi as the centerpiece to begin with. It will be interesting to see how they will use DeRozan with Aldridge next season, along with the White and Murray. I still trust the FO. I will approach the season seeing the cup half full. The rest of you whiners can opt to begin the season jumping off cliffs.

[JeffDuncan]

The Spurs personnel were designed with Kawhi as the centerpiece to begin with. ...

That is not true. It's another Spurstalk myth.

[ducks]

Spurs had murray they could beat Gs this year

[jmard5]

That is not true. It's another Spurstalk myth.

Kawhi has 1 year left on his contract before he was traded. You're telling me that the roster wasn't designed for him and LMA?

[JeffDuncan]

Kawhi has 1 year left on his contract before he was traded. You're telling me that the roster wasn't designed for him and LMA?

Pop's been sitting on the Spurs sideline for more than 2 decades. Right in front of his face he's seen players go down with injuries, many times, including some season-ending and even career-ending injuries.

Design a whole roster around one particular player? Pop would not do that. He knows better. It's a Spurstalk myth.

[exstatic]

Pop's been sitting on the Spurs sideline for more than 2 decades. Right in front of his face he's seen players go down with injuries, many times, including some season-ending and even career-ending injuries.

Design a whole roster around one particular player? Pop would not do that. He knows better. It's a Spurstalk myth.

Don’t know what color the sky is in your world, but the roster was constructed around Duncan for his whole career. It’s not a myth, and it’s nothing new.

[JeffDuncan]

Don’t know what color the sky is in your world, but the roster was constructed around Duncan for his whole career. It’s not a myth, and it’s nothing new.

I know you want to believe your little mythology. But no, PATFO didn't sign Parker just because they thought he'd be a useful appendage to Duncan. They signed Parker because he was good in his own right. Same with Manu. Same with all of them.

That little myth you believe in is silly.

[exstatic]

I know you want to believe your little mythology. But no, PATFO didn't sign Parker just because they thought he'd be a useful appendage to Duncan. They signed Parker because he was good in his own right. Same with Manu. Same with all of them.

That little myth you believe in is silly.

. Parker was an unknown, skinny little kid from France who had no jumper. He was not much good for his first four seasons, and was roundly despised here by many until Chip was hired to fix his shot. Manu was a bit more of an international known quan y, but he was already 25 when he was brought over, a late bloomer if ever there was one. You couldn’t build a team around either of them, but they could be the team built around Tim, and that worked out quite well. Keep believing whatever helps your “I hate PATFO!” Narrative though. The team was built for Kawhi, and his leaving left a Grand Canyon sized hole in those plans. That would require that you give Pop credit for making the playoffs the last two years, though. Massive credit. You can’t do that, so you spin this instead.

[JeffDuncan]

. Parker was an unknown, skinny little kid from France who had no jumper. He was not much good for his first four seasons, and was roundly despised here by many until Chip was hired to fix his shot. Manu was a bit more of an international known quan y, but he was already 25 when he was brought over, a late bloomer if ever there was one. You couldn’t build a team around either of them, but they could be the team built around Tim, and that worked out quite well. Keep believing whatever helps your “I hate PATFO!” Narrative though. The team was built for Kawhi, and his leaving left a Grand Canyon sized hole in those plans. That would require that you give Pop credit for making the playoffs the last two years, though. Massive credit. You can’t do that, so you spin this instead.

Pal, you write like you're mentally ill. What you wrote there is just a spew of crazy mixed up garbage about a dozen different things all scrambled together.

You wrote that crazy spew, and then concluded with a remark about spinning . Which is exactly what you just did.. You're talking to yourself like a nut case.

The current Spurs roster was never built around Leonard, and the earlier rosters were never built around Duncan. Those are myths you believe. You believe them because you don't think well and you don't know any better.

Pop does not build rosters around particular players, because he knows better. He signs players because of what he thinks the players, themselves, can contribute to the team.

Team. You've heard of it. That's why Pop speaks of the "system," and the culture, and all that. He focuses on the team. Pop has his flaws, but he is not crazy like you are.

Pop has seen enough, right in front of his face, that he would never take the presence of one particular player for granted. Your crazy notion about that is a myth.

[lefty20]

Nephew ed us over real good. It's gonna take longer than a year to recover. It'll be nice going into next couple seasons without any real expectations, just gonna watch and see what DJ, White & Walker are capable off.

[elec7ro]

No, they had a guy called Tim Duncan. Heard of him? Then they had a guy called kawhi. You can't win in this league without a superstar or two. Developing young guys that aren't going to be superstars and paying mediocre guys superstar money will get you nothing but irrelevance

And how exactly do you know that one of these guys wont turn into a superstar? because I know for damn sure you didn't know kawhi was going to be what he is.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Did you watch the Spurs? Parker earned his starting role six games into the season and later destroyed Gary Payton in the first round of playoffs. And Manu was not a late bloomer, he arrived to NBA late. These two together, minus Duncan, would have arguably been the best starting backcourt in NBA for a decade.

. Parker was an unknown, skinny little kid from France who had no jumper. He was not much good for his first four seasons, and was roundly despised here by many until Chip was hired to fix his shot. Manu was a bit more of an international known quan y, but he was already 25 when he was brought over, a late bloomer if ever there was one. You couldn’t build a team around either of them, but they could be the team built around Tim, and that worked out quite well. Keep believing whatever helps your “I hate PATFO!” Narrative though. The team was built for Kawhi, and his leaving left a Grand Canyon sized hole in those plans. That would require that you give Pop credit for making the playoffs the last two years, though. Massive credit. You can’t do that, so you spin this instead.

[Kurgan]

Facts. These fluffers are so delusional that they forget that they were trashing these losers DD, LMA, and Gay for never having "it" before they were Spurs, saying that they can never win.

Good point.

LMA was looked down upon as a chucker/choke artist when he played for the Blazers. He puts on a Spurs uniform and suddenly he's our beloved leader. The Derozan is even worse. Spurs fans have always shat on Kobe for his stupid shots and ugly style of basketball(deservedly so). K-mart Kobe joins the team and now we have to pretend that this cancerous style of basketball is good for the team going forward? At least the Derozan critics are consistent in their hate for Kobe ball.

[exstatic]

Did you watch the Spurs? Parker earned his starting role six games into the season and later destroyed Gary Payton in the first round of playoffs. And Manu was not a late bloomer, he arrived to NBA late. These two together, minus Duncan, would have arguably been the best starting backcourt in NBA for a decade.

Parker started 6 games into his rookie year, because the other option was Antonio Daniels. He got benched during the 2003 Finals, and cost us the 2004 Laker series because he literally could not shoot behind a pick and roll screen. Manu arrived to the NBA late, because the Spurs didn't feel he was ready. Call that whatever you like. Neither would have been even 75-80% of the players they became because of Tim, without Tim.

[BackHome]

Thank you. My point with this is that it's going to be a while before we get back to relevance.

No - But I get you to a point we not getting Timmy or David type of player in our life time so ease up with tanking or getting a tle. I do think we should do things such as letting Cunningham and Poindexter walk, buy a first or second from some team looking for money or cap relief. Bring over Nikola or use him in a trade, sign Ben Moore, Let Metu walk if we can find better.

[rascal]

Impossible to say, because so much is based on what else happens in the League. If Durant stays, Kawhi goes to the Clippers, and a Western conference team gets Zion, the West could be tougher. If Durant, Kawhi, Butler, Irving, Kemba, & Zion all play in the East, it could make the West a little easier. Also, obviously, who the Spurs get in the draft. Right now, barring injuries, I'd say a 52-55 win season/WCF appearance is within reach.

The Spurs are closer to a lottery team than a WCF finalist.