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    You still don't get it. It doesn't matter what you acknowledge or not acknowledge. You're not the arbiter of anything.
    What is your evaluation of Obama's overall presidency?

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    What is your evaluation of Obama's overall presidency?
    I would rank it #3, after Bush Sr and Clinton since the 90s (my #1 and #2, although there's a fairly wide gap between those two). Can't really comment before that, as I didn't live long enough in the US prior to that.

    Positives:
    - He turned around the economy after receiving a disaster, even after receiving extreme criticism for the methods (which ended up working out)
    - He was a charismatic leader, savvy politically, who knew which buttons to press to get his electorate to come out and vote for him (fatal flaw in Shillary)
    - He tried to strike a balance on immigration, deporting record number of illegal immigrants, while at the same time trying to address DACA, largely due to Congress inaction.

    Negatives:
    All those listed before plus...
    - His was economically a center-right government despite the rhetoric. He was basically Goldman Sachs' .

    Again, just off the top of my head. There's obviously a lot that goes on in 8 years to get to the nitty gritty of it all.

    Overall, I think it was a negative. We ended up in more wars, he had a great opportunity to actually reshape healthcare for the better and completely fumbled. Even when he had control of Congress, he was largely ineffectual.
    Now, obviously, negative doesn't mean disastrous either. Certain issues weight more than others.

    Just my opinion. It's pretty much in line with my comments about his presidency at the time.

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    "he had a great opportunity to actually reshape healthcare for the better and completely fumbled"

    ACA was debated 1 year, 100 amendments, mostly Repugs degrading it, and then no Repug voted for it.

    "Even when he had control of Congress"

    He NEVER had Dem control of the Senate, with Bernie and Liebermann as independents, and Liebermann single-handedly blocking public option.



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    Still doesn’t understand whataboutism

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    I would rank it #3, after Bush Sr and Clinton since the 90s (my #1 and #2, although there's a fairly wide gap between those two). Can't really comment before that, as I didn't live long enough in the US prior to that.

    Positives:
    - He turned around the economy after receiving a disaster, even after receiving extreme criticism for the methods (which ended up working out)
    - He was a charismatic leader, savvy politically, who knew which buttons to press to get his electorate to come out and vote for him (fatal flaw in Shillary)
    - He tried to strike a balance on immigration, deporting record number of illegal immigrants, while at the same time trying to address DACA, largely due to Congress inaction.

    Negatives:
    All those listed before plus...
    - His was economically a center-right government despite the rhetoric. He was basically Goldman Sachs' .

    Again, just off the top of my head. There's obviously a lot that goes on in 8 years to get to the nitty gritty of it all.

    Overall, I think it was a negative. We ended up in more wars, he had a great opportunity to actually reshape healthcare for the better and completely fumbled. Even when he had control of Congress, he was largely ineffectual.
    Now, obviously, negative doesn't mean disastrous either. Certain issues weight more than others.

    Just my opinion. It's pretty much in line with my comments about his presidency at the time.
    Ranking presidents is one thing that doesn't really prove anything. How corrupt is/was Obama?
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    Still doesn’t understand whataboutism
    Slob alt trying and failing. Par.

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    Lexicon isn't your strong point, heavy D.

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    Ranking presidents is one thing that doesn't really prove anything. How corrupt is/was Obama?
    You can’t ‘prove’ an opinion. My breakdown is pretty explicit. You don’t have to like or even agree with it.

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    You can’t ‘prove’ an opinion. My breakdown is pretty explicit. You don’t have to like or even agree with it.
    It's a pretty straightforward question. How corrupt is/was Obama?

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    You can’t ‘prove’ an opinion. My breakdown is pretty explicit. You don’t have to like or even agree with it.
    there's no way in derp would answer that question himself.

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    It's a pretty straightforward question. How corrupt is/was Obama?
    I did enough explaining, your turn...

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    Plus that’s such a ty question, tbh... what’s the scale here? Number of Alberto Gonzales?

    There’s simply no correct answer

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    I did enough explaining, your turn...
    You can't even make an assessment of Obama's level of corruption. I told you that you're not a staunch critic.

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    You can't even make an assessment of Obama's level of corruption. I told you that you're not a staunch critic.
    You can't either. You must be a staunch Obama supporter

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    You can't either. You must be a staunch Obama supporter
    Obama was completely corrupt to the core. I never said otherwise you stupid cuck.

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    Obama was completely corrupt to the core. I never said otherwise you stupid cuck.
    Whoa what an assessment!

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    Whoa what an assessment!
    Where do you stand on freedom for Hong Kong?

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    Whoa what an assessment!

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    Where do you stand on freedom for Hong Kong?
    like lebron, they're both cucks!

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    Blake trying to mock while retreating into his cuckoon.

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    Whoa what an assessment!

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    Cuckbot mode won't get you W's, Blake.

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    Cuckbot mode won't get you W's, Blake.
    when cuckold BlaKKKe starts quoting himself you know the white flag has been raised.

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    Obama was completely corrupt to the core. I never said otherwise you stupid cuck.
    Now back it up. Give us some examples. I’m not disputing your contention, I’m asking you to back it up. Corruption case numbers, etc. would be a good start. Unfortunately, ‘it’s a hunch’, ‘my guts tell me’ or ‘it’s obvious’, really isn’t good enough.

    I backed up my points above (at least backed up my opinion)

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    IMO, Fast and Furious and Benghazi were, if not outright corrupt (I’ve no proof to back up they were), at least amateur hour.

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