One thing that I don't understand is how Manu gets so banged up all the time. Yes, I understand that it's his playing style and he takes a lot of contact. But other guys in the league (whether you believe it or not) play as hard as Manu. And they aren't always banged up (or maybe they play through injuries better?).
Before Manu came to the Spurs, was he often injured? I'm not trying to bash him. I'm just trying to figure it out. He gets "tired" fairly easily from his style of play and by season's end is more fatigued than most players in the league. (Though he can still perform).
Should the Spurs just let him play 35+ minutes a game because he is going to get tired and banged up no matter what? They already limit his practice more than any other player I've ever seen.
I just don't want Manu to be out of the league in a few years due to his body being banged up over and over again. Can the Spurs protect him from that happening?
Does he need more vitamins? Better conditioning? Does he need to gain more muscle mass?
I know this seems like a crazy post, but Manu is a self-proclaimed crazy player .. so I guess it's fitting.
I've wondered the same thing at times, mostly because Bruce plays his ass off and never seems to get any injuries at all. (MAJOR KNOCKING WOOD TIME!!!) We know that Bruce takes very good care of himself food-wise, I wonder if Manu isn't eating right, taking vitamins, etc. I know I've heard him say things here and there that lead me to believe that he doesn't pay attention to those kinds of things.
Before he came to the NBA, he didn't miss much games because it's a whole different game in Europe. If Manu was killing them with penetrations, the defense switched to a zone to cover the paint and let him shoot a three pointer or force him to kick it out. Except for a few teams, in Europe there isn't a tradition of hard fouling the penetrations or trying to win with more muscle than the oppostion, because of the bigger reliance on zone defenses and fundamentals. As for the playing time ('tho I don't agree with this), the seasons aren't that long (a very sucessful season with Kinder meant something like 55/60 games -playoffs included), and less minutes (40 minutes per game in the end of the season, that's a lot less minutes).
Its good to know that no one cares about the MVP's little issue.....
What happened with all those posters that claim that resting through the summer is so much better than playing.
Look at Manu, look at Tony . . .
Ooops
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Which brings us to our next point, Manu and TP should always play in the summer for their countries. Whether is the Olympics, World Championship, or the qualifying tournament for either....they should play.
Maybe resting Manu this summer was better than him playing. If he played, he might be even more injured right now. We don't know. And we don't want to know.
Manu plays on the edge...more than most players I've seen.
People say he "flops" a lot. Ok, he does do that. But, half the reason you see Manu flying all over the place, is because he's on the edge of his ability and balance. It only takes a slight bump to unblalance you when your walking a tightrope.
He throws himself around out there, more than almost anyone else in the league...and that puts himself in situations where he's gonna get bumped...but, it also taxes his own body more than most. He'll throw his body into people, rather than avoid them. Half the time the boy is simply out of control and on the edge. But, fortunately, he has slow enough hands at the end of the play to finish 'em off.
Manu pushes his body harder than most...which makes him look athletic, which he is... but, mostly, he's just simply trying harder. How many times have you seen Manu flying around for a steal, or to save an outta bounds play...or flying in trying for a block. The boy is biggest hustler on the team...and that's gonna take a toll.
Oh, I know others play hard. But, I firmly believe, that no one on the Spurs plays harder than Manu, physically. Bowen plays hard, but, in control...Manu being in control is almost an oxymoron.
He simply demands more of his body and talent, than most do. So, he will pay the consequences more than most.
Last edited by SouthernFried; 12-12-2005 at 09:25 PM.
Sure, lets trade Manu. He only bailed out the team numerous times during last year's playoff run. But now he will sit out a week. So he should go
You are a hypocrite, ducks
PS
There is nobody in the league you can get for the same value. Get it through you thick head.
I agree with you that we will never know.
But the facts are that he played through the 2004 summer and last season he had an All Star season (and MVP like playoffs). He did not play this summer and he is not having such a great season. And I'm not talking about injuries.
The opposite can be said about Tony.
So you just think this is how it will always be? He'll always be banged up a lot. For his sake, I just wish they could give him some vitamins to help him stay healthy.
His stats are actually about the same as they were last year in the regular season.
Damn you with your factual facts, Kori
Damn you with your factual facts, Kori
You are right though. He hasn't "looked" as good. He's not as explosive.
I blame the hair.
Manu will have to slow down sometime. It's inevitable. His game will change. He'll have to concentrate more on footwork, and controlled moves...rather than the chaos and out of control stuff he does now. His body just wont allow him to do otherwise.
Most players of Manu's competiveness actually become better players, if less exciting...when their bodies finally tell them.."hey man, you can't do that to me anymore." I predict Manu will become an excellent penetrator and Passer...where he can keep his feet, and not have to do the aerobatic thing to get off a shot. He will still be able to dribble, and get around people...but, those last steps are always the hardest...hence, I think he'll become a great passer.
He'll adapt I'm sure.
Oh, and on edit...I don't think this will happen anytime real soon. Lucky for us
Last edited by SouthernFried; 12-12-2005 at 09:36 PM.
the thing is, Manu can't take it easy on his body. He's been asked before if it weren't wiser to play in a less frenetic pace. His only response was, "I can't. I don't know how to."
I agree. Even though his stats are the same as last year (some, such as rebounds, are even better), it's the little things in his game that I miss. The rebound or steal when the Spurs are needing it the most, the clutch free throughs, in other words, the intangibles that so many people discount when talking about Manu's game.
You are right though. He hasn't "looked" as good. He's not as explosive.
I blame the hair.
Yes, he is averaging 15 pts a game, same as last year, but those intangibles are simply not the same as in the past.
so you think manu is the best in the nba
spurs won a ring without manu and other teams have won rings without manu
ps
someone playing is better then someone on the bench in a suit and tie and can not play because he is hurt
Point me to where I say this.
All I said is that given the amount of money he is paid, you cannot get equal value if you trade him
So? They also won a ring without TP. Barkley, Malone, Stockton and so many others never won a ring. What is your point?
So Manu has an unfortunate accident, lands on Bruce’s foot in practice, and you want to trade him?
Man, you are taking your Manu hate to a whole new level
Smeagol,
Manu is ceramic. If he falls off the shelf, he is broken. Step out of the church for a moment
Sequ, your comment is stupid. It has no leg to stand on. Pretty much as most of your comments.
Manu has been injured, on average, just as much as any guard in this league. Last year he missed 8 games. Iverson, Redd and Nash missed 7; Hamilton 6, Wade 5. Jason Richardson missed 10, Jamal Crawford, 12, Kobe, Magette, Mobley, Kidd 16; Finley 18; Raja Bell 19; Larry Hughes 21, etc, etc, etc.
smeagol
When people are biased they say whatever. I think Sequspur gets off on annoying you. Best to ignore.
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