Very nice of President Bush to say...and very TRUE. Manu is the ultimate goodwill ambassador.
Now I don't expect the president to thank Hugo Chavez for Richard Hidalgo! ha ha
Most still wear masks - its a part of their fundamentalist religion and life.
But on the other hand they did start wearing them in Iraq now that Saddam is gone, and also womens rights, because of religious fundamentalist are gaining strentgh. I think Bush gets credits for that.
Hitler was Hitler because of his concentration camps. What do you call guantanamo and other illegal jails?
no offense to you good american people.
Did your mom drop you on your head?
Make up your mind, do you want us to liberate people or not? Inconsistent! Should we liberate the Saudis? Is that your position? So, liberating Afghanistan and Iraq was wrong, but invading Saudi Arabia would be a good idea? Pass the pipe buddy.
You lost the election, buddy. Get over it.
As I said earlier, move if you hate this country and the President so much.
Move where they have double digit unemployment, like in Europe.
You may be a socialist and a pacifist, but about 60 million Americans aren't.
You want to join Michael Moron, do it. But don't waste our time here.
You sound really clever to say remove Saddam, but then don't help build a democracy. He did have two sons who weren't a member of the good guys.
If we had killed Saddam and that was it, guess who is now in power.
Except for you, most terrorists groups are not based in democracies. Or hadn't you figured that one out yet? Islamic Jihad, PLO, Al Qaeda...
Over the long term, when you establish democracies in the Middle East, you will produce an environment that is less fertile soil for terrorism.
You didn't describe the President, you described yourself.
How many indictments are there against Bush or Cheney or Rove? Answer precisely zero. They were not and will not be indicted. That's because they didn't break the law and you only indict people if you want to charge them with a crime (and an indictment is not equivalent to a conviction).
Of course, if I were a liberal, like you, I don't know that I would be going there. Or do you not remember Monica? That was the President himself, not an aide. He was impeached.
Scowcraft is a pre 9-11 person who can't change his paradigm. 911 made it clear that you can't wait until the threat is fully materialized and are about to be attacked, before you respond to it. Problem with waiting for a smoking gun is that the gun only smokes after it has been fired, which generally means someone was shot and probalby killed. Chem and Bio weapons and nuclear weapons can kill hundreds of thousands of people or more at a time.
Do you really think that in a post 911 world, we should allow rogue states who had used wmd in the past to continue to in their status quo?
Were you opposed to the invasion in Afghanistan also? If yes, you are a major pacifist, hopeless and are not representative of the US population.
If not, then you are inconsistent.
How many senators want to make a complete and total withdrawal of our troops now? Probably zero, no more than a handfull out of 100. There's a reason for that. Dems know that the 2006 and 2008 elections are coming up and they will be seens as promoting a pacifist, weak national defense by most Americans if they call for a complete and total withdrawal right now.
Plame- Clinton himself was impeached. Bush has not been impeached. Libby is only an aide. Libby has not been found guilty. The jury only hears the prosecutor when they are deciding whether or not there is a sufficient basis for an indictment (which is essentially whether or not someone should be charged). The grand jury did not hear anything from Libby's defense attorney. In fact, Libby would never have been charged with anything at all, had he been allowed to invoke fifth amendment rights. He could not because he served in the government. There was no indictment with the charge being outing a covert agent. The reason is very simple. There was not enough evidence to support such a charge. You are barking at the moon.
Bipartisan committees have already concluded that the administration played no role in coercing or manipulating intelligence. Joe Wilson is the most discredit person in America (other than Bill Clinton). As I said, Bush has not and will not even be charged with anythin. A Bipartisan group concluded that he was lying about virtually his entire testimony: A sample: His wife did play a major role in his "investigation" at Niger. Cheney's office did not send him. He did not actually see the do ents which he claimed were fake because the do ents were seen some 8 months after his trip. This is just for starters.
Fitzgerald already stated that this has nothing to do with the war, for or against. It is a narrow investigation.
Its funny that you think that free speech means that only dissidents are allowed to protest, but supporters of the President are not alllowed to express their views. Free speech does not mean that if you say something stupid, I can't critique it. This is a Spurs basketball website.
I don't care if a minority of Argentinians protest. Perhaps one day that will get rid of all the corruption, open up a free market and get their economy moving so that their citizens don't have to live in terrible conditions.
I wish them the best. The protestors are probably literally members of a Socialist organization. That's not a joke. A large number of the Protestors in Europe are members of ANSWR or some such group which is literally a Socialist group. Probably this occurs in South America as well. Too bad.
I'm not a big contributor but sorry it's too tempting to answer on some comments...
First "themanurules", please stop being loged on the republican newsletter... Indeed, your comments are closed to even been stupid. First, speaking about gas, it has been used after the bush father decided to leave Irak without finishing his job (you forget maybe?!) Secondly, Irak - Iran war has been highly due to Western Countries, part of those the USA, France & all big weapons vendors (don't worry I'm ashame as a french).
We can go further, your vietnam comparison is even worse. You should take another ratio: number of civilians killed in Irak compare to the number of civilians killed in Vietnam, it's even better if you consider all the killed people due to that formidable program: oil for war!! (still don't worry, France is involved as well in some scandals linked to that ing idea). We can keep on by speaking about Saudi Arabia, they shouldn't be worried about being invaded by Irak, indeed it was just some manipulation from the US with fake pictures (no force on the boundaries) and you forget that to invad Saudi Arabia, you have to invade the corner stone of muslim religion, which is not the right thing to do for Saddam, and he knew it. Furthermore, do you know that saudi arabia is a dictatur? With a lot of civilians killed? What is your criteria to decide whether this country should be invaded and not another one?
To understand some hate about the US you should consider their willing to destroy the united nations, to control the world through the trade organization (sorry forget the translation of "OMC" (in french here)) which create a lot of poor regions trhough the wolrd (don't worry, all rich country are part of this blind game, not only the US)...
I could keep on a long time... but I don't think the US are only that, by far, but your ambassador is highly critized because he is the symbol of such thing. He represents the oil lobby (hard for ecologist), weapon lobby (a good war is always welcome) and a lot of private interest...
If you want to speak about terrorism, it's really a sensitiv topic. Indeed, you should keep in mind that it's a lot of time used as the unique way to fight against dictator...
Last points, don't forget that if you didn't free the western Europe, you would not have been so rich, yes we've been your first market... and you had a lot of interest to do so, especially to fight against the former USSR... and don't forget that France was your ally when you fight against england for your freedom (OK we hated english on that time, but still we helped you...)
Concerning the elections, I don't care till it's internal, the problem is that we pay the price (mean the world) since that elections... (war, pollution, ...)
I say one really good point: I agree that the US were totally right to do what Europe was afraid to do in Yugoslavia, and even in Afghanistan. But don't forget, that you did that after facing terrorism, not to help those people (if it was the case, you would have interfere a lot of years before!)
I'm sorry, I will have no access to this forum till monday, so you can answer but I will not answer immediatly after.
Go Spurs!!
Are you ing serious!??? and on top of that you tell us to chill out!?? Hey just because you're an uneducated fool, whose grasp of geography consists on a ing 5 block radius DOES NOT mean the rest of the world is like that ok T Park! Jesus! Give it a rest you ignorant !
Read the polls "themanurules" you should move. almost 50% of people strongly disapprove of Bush. 10 more percent just disapprove. And the reason you see no indictments is because the Republicans control the houses and the senate (not to mention trying to politicize the court system) and refuse to investigate anything. Plus you have a duo in the whitehouse that is shameless enough to use 911 for political game and to squelch dissent.
We just learned the lesson of why you don't 'nation build' again. because you get a mess like Iraq. So your flag waving impose 'democracy' idea is flat out stupid.
FYI once secular Iraq is now a haven for terrorist. UN put out a report that said we are now MORE unsafe than we were and deaths from terrorism internationally have risen. So save the 'smoke them out of the holes' and 'mission accomplished speeches. Iran is where the terrorist are and we can't do a thing because we've got our hands tied in Iraq.
this is horse . the bipartisan committee agreed that their was and they should investigate. The democrats shut down the senate because the Republicans were stonewalling and doing nothing.Bipartisan committees have already concluded that the administration played no role in coercing or manipulating intelligence.
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Thanks for the new sig, TPark
Lol.
Bush Sr. is from the N.E. - GW grew up in Texas (and D.C. 'cause that is where the old man worked - though he represented Texas). He met his wife in West Texas. Listen to his accent for Christ's sake. (Compare it Kennedy's for a reference). Oh, and get a clue.
It's not like all he did was do drugs. Music has a positive effect on many people's lives and from that effect many more positive things can come to be.
You seriously think that just because you can afford Season Tickets that you're in billy bad ass? What have you done in your life that makes you so special.
Ripping on people for choosing to do drugs is so ing weak.
When you're not First World, or even Second World, you get jealous.
(meant to be humorous folks)
Pretty soon US isn't going to be first world anymore...
At least we'll have the most multi billionaires though!!!
I dont think they care if we are first world or not, as long as all political decisions appointments and thought is CONSERVATIVE or involved in conserving things.
Replace the word terrorist with jew and you can see why the Hitler comparisons come from. You would do Goebbels proud.
Really what is sad is this shows a very limited ability towards independent thought. I really recommend people read some John Locke particularly Social Contract, Two Tretise of Government and A Letter Concerning Toleration and get a real idea of what the framework of our government is all about.
Its truly sad to see this country affirm the bill of rights proposed by the UN only to use the above as an excuse to remove certain human rights such as habeas corpus.
Reminds me of people quoting Romans to throw out the ten commandments.
Bottomline is that there are certain inalieable rights that every human being should be en led to. Its our past defenses of this principle that makes this country great and its sad to see our foreign policy once again make a mockery of that.
At least the Nazi's got Nuremburg. While that was in many ways a sham, at least it was an attempt at the civilities that make a civilization worth living in.
hahaha, T Park reading Locke?? that'll be the day
Every country is en led to elect a moron as president. The thing is that in a country like Argentina the president only gets to his own country; when you are the most powerful nation on the planet, your president gets to the entire world. That's why people outside the US dislike American presidents in general. And then there are the more "personal" reasons each country may have (In Argentina's case, among other things, the US goverment sponsored a military coup in the 70's that kidnapped and killed 30.000 people).
Obviously, having someone like Bush doesn't help either.
This sentiment is not against everything and everybody in the US. But he's the president, it can't get more symbolic than that.
Sometimes I feel that the ignorance about the (real) world that is often associated with Americans carries a great deal of innocence, like they don't know the effects their country/goverment have on other countrys. The other day I was talking with this exchange student from New York (law school) and she told me that she was surprised of how present the US is on our everyday lives. It's not like we can forget about it.
Saludos.
Nothing better than wading through a cesspool of trendy left-wing vomit tinged with a bit of South American e.
Nah what Kissinger did to the Chileans was much better.
Nobel peace prize my ass that dude should be in jail.
Hobbes maybe?
Saludos.
Marhq thanks for the insight
MB, great take... how does the kool aid taste? excuse people who get mad about a right wingers growing spending faster than LBJ and doing it all by borrow... I'm a libertarian, that's not left wing
Eh, you're all weirdos to me. Left, right, green, brown, blue, Argentine...I don't care.
the feeling is mutual
Libertarians are popping up all over the place these days. Is that the trendy new political stance of the moment?
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