How in gods name can you justify saying that?!?!?!!? They have basically everyone returning besides LB and their bench is better than it was last year. You obviously have been drinking
That would be a problem with teams who have never been taught to emphasize defense. The core of the Detroit team endured FOUR long years with heavy emphasis, coaching, and skills training to play elite level team defense in the NBA. Players don't just stop playing defense because a coaching change or because it is less emphasized. Ben Wallace is not going to stop trying to block shots or going after every rebound possible. Tayshaun is not going to all of a sudden halfway through the season decide he would rather not play tough defense on his man. Chauncey Billups is not going to all of a sudden turn into Steve Nash on the defensive end.
I know a lot of people want to question how the Pistons will respond to a coach that gives them more freedom on the offensive end, and that they will somehow lose the desire and heart to play tough defense. To me, if you are going to bank on that, it's merely a lot of praying and hoping talk. Their defense might not be AS GREAT as it was under Carlisle and Brown. But, to think they will suddenly lose their defense is naive at best.
What a terribly flawed argument.
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Last edited by FreshPrince22; 09-12-2011 at 02:15 PM.
57-25.(ES, what's the new projected season record for the Pistons?
With the caveat that until at least a third of the season is complete, my calculations mean about as much as my last bowel movement.
Thanks for the update although I could have done without the visual.
11-2 now and bypassing the Gottlob Frege formula I come up with a 69-11 projection.
I honestly don't believe we'll win that many.
69 wins would suck. Obviously it would be great in the sense that it's a great record, but 1 short of 70 would suck. That's when we'd look back at the washington game and cry. I think we'll win around 60. Give or take a few. Obviously an impressive record is useless if you don't back it up with a ring in June though.Thanks for the update although I could have done without the visual.
11-2 now and bypassing the Gottlob Frege formula I come up with a 69-11 projection.
I honestly don't believe we'll win that many.
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Last edited by FreshPrince22; 09-12-2011 at 02:15 PM.
It would be interesting to see how teams with more than 60 or more wins have fared in the past, obviously the Suns didn't fare well last year.
Espn has issued the coaches ratings by the fans (interactive) for the month of November.
Flip Saunders - 93%
Team: Detroit Pistons
Record: 11-2
Votes: 5,540 Pistons sizzle under Saunders
Larry who? The style of play is different, but the results remain the same. Detroit was the final NBA team to lose this season, as the team seemed to experience no growing pains at all under new head coach Flip Saunders. Chauncey Billups has become one of the NBA's top assist men under Saunders, while Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince have shot the ball well. Roles seem to be very well defined and accepted already, so the Pistons appear poised for a third straight NBA Finals appearance. Vote
Larry Brown - 51%
Team: New York Knicks
Record: 5-9
Votes: 2,089 New York still searching for its iden y after one month
After an 0-5 start, the Knicks have showed signs of improvement recently by going 5-4 since then. It should be noted that just one of those five wins came against a team currently with a winning record. Brown has constantly tinkered with his lineup in an effort to find the right mix. Rookie Channing Frye has been a pleasant surprise and gives the team hope moving forward. Brown and Stephon Marbury, the only Knick to start every game this season, have already had a couple disagreements, but it's way too early to judge their relationship. Vote
Greg Poppovich - 92%
Team: San Antonio Spurs
Record: 12-3
Votes: 1,986 Defending champs pick up where they left off
Four months didn't affect the momentum that the Spurs finished with in the NBA Finals. San Antonio has the best record in the Western Conference, and two of its three losses came on a five-game road trip. Tony Parker continues to improve his game, while the additions of Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel have bolstered an already strong nucleus. The Spurs lead the NBA in field-goal percentage and have remained stellar defensively. Vote
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/sportsn...Type=2&week=11
Nope...IMO, it'll be a problem with teams who don't have a coach that preaches it.
No offense to the Pistons' players, but if they are left to their own devices their D will turn to crap.
Not just the Pistons' players...but players from any team, including the Spurs.
If Pop didn't stay on their ass to play D there D wouldn't be near as good...and I see it every single season, where the Spurs players just get lax with their D and Pop has to start benching guys and chewing butts.
I just don't think Flip has that mindset...we'll see what happens.
Good point, and that is my one concern as a Pistons fan.
I saw 3 games into the season a worrysome D but it was accompanied by an invigorated offense. I am hoping the Pistons are on autopilot D-wise and don't forget their roots.
So far, so good, they're only allowing a bucket more per game than last year and scoring a LOT more. If this continues, only SA stands in their way to winning it all.
Nice Post...I love these ratings...funny to see the difference in number of votes that the Pistons had over NY and SA
You don't have to worry about Ben Wallace. He don't have an offensive game.
Larry's finding his "dream job" to be somewhat of a nightmare so far. (6-15)
Brown finding it tough to coach Knicks
GREENBURGH, N.Y. (AP) - Larry Brown hears the boos, too.
Bad shots. Awful defense. Poor decisions. And a whole lot of frustrated fans at Madison Square Garden.
"This is much more difficult right now than I ever imagined," the New York Knicks coach said Thursday after practice.
More than a quarter of the way through his first season in charge of his hometown team, the man who preaches doing things the right way is stuck with a bunch of players doing just about everything wrong.
New York has lost four in a row, falling to 6-15 heading into Friday's game at Atlanta. Worse, after playing well during a recent trip out West, the Knicks haven't been compe ive in two games since returning home.
"We're just not doing it," Brown said. "We're not matching the energy of our opponent. We're doing the same things we've done all year. We turn the ball over too much, don't make simple plays, and don't execute very well."
Never was that more evident than recently. In double-digit home losses to Milwaukee and Orlando, the Knicks committed 38 turnovers - they rank last in the league in that category - and left shooters wide open while struggling to defend pick-and-rolls. The Bucks and Magic combined for 23 3-pointers, many of them uncontested.
"They had like miscommunication out there. They didn't help each other," Orlando's Hedo Turkoglu said after the Magic's 105-90 victory Wednesday.
"I think they have a bunch of young guys there and they're still learning, so that's why they messed it up. You can't leave guys who are making shots in a row like that, you have to do something."
Brown isn't the only New Yorker tired of the lapses. The Knicks were booed during both games, especially in the fourth quarter of Wednesday's loss.
"I don't tune them out at all," Brown said. "I hear it all. I'm embarrassed. I know how much they love basketball and love this team and want us to do well. And when we play poorly, I hear it, and it kills me because I'm responsible."
Brown, a Brooklyn native, knew things weren't going to be easy. While the Detroit team he coached to the last two NBA Finals was a veteran club, the Knicks have mostly young players on a mismatched roster that went 33-49 last season.
But he was expecting more veteran help. Instead, he watched Allan Houston retire during training camp. And the Knicks traded Tim Thomas, previously coached by Brown, before the season started.
Combined with injuries to newcomers Eddy Curry and Jerome James, that has left Brown forced to experiment with combinations featuring younger players. He has used already used 15 different starting lineups.
The inexperience is showing on both ends of the court.
"I don't even really have an answer for you," veteran guard Stephon Marbury said. "Right now, as far as for the way we're playing, we're going backwards, we're not going forward."
The turnovers are of the biggest concern to Brown. The Knicks are committing 18.1 per game - some in ways Brown can't even explain.
"I've seen turnovers that they're trying to make the right play," Brown said. "We had two or three dump-down passes that were good passes that we didn't catch. To me, that's a guy trying to make the right play.
"But then we have five or six turnovers where we're ahead on the break and throw it behind us, or we try to throw a crosscourt pass and it goes into the fifth row. I mean, there's things that I've never seen before."
The defensive struggles could be more costly. Players from the Bucks and Magic both pointed to Knicks' inability to stop the pick-and-roll.
According to Brown, his players knew what they were supposed to do.
"We gave up two 3-pointers in the second quarter on a play we went over," he said. "We left a guy that we said we weren't going to leave. So it's just execution."
Brown did say he was pleased with the progress of some of his younger players - some he never expected to be playing so much. But he knows the Knicks' struggles could last a while.
"After these two last games, you look at the schedule, you don't think we'll ever be able to win another game," he said. "But you can only try."
This article could have been cut and pasted from any of Brown's first seasons with New Jersey, San Antonio, Los Angeles, Indiana, Philadelphia, etc.
Brown always whines when a team is sucking. That's how you know he's happy.
Check out the Pistons point totals at home:
vs. Phi- 108 pts
vs. Tor- 117 pts
vs. Bos- 115 pts
vs. Den- 114 pts
vs. Was- 114 pts
vs. Nyk- 106 pts
vs. Sac- 109 pts
vs. Chi- 110 pts
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Last edited by FreshPrince22; 09-12-2011 at 02:21 PM.
Check out the Pistons point totals at home:
vs. Phi- 108 pts
vs. Tor- 117 pts
vs. Bos- 115 pts
vs. Den- 114 pts
vs. Was- 114 pts
vs. Nyk- 106 pts
vs. Sac- 109 pts
vs. Chi- 110 pts
111.5 pts a game and giving up only 96 per game at home!
Giving up 96.......I hate that......but our margain of victory makes me feel a little better.
Well, we just held the Bobkittens to a 26 point first half. So that should make you feel better
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Last edited by FreshPrince22; 09-12-2011 at 02:21 PM.
The comparison has become embarrassing with Flip's Pistons at 22-3 and Larry's Knicks at 7-19. Pleasantly surprised by the Pistons early success and just as surprised that the Knicks don't have a better record.
At this time last year the Knicks were 13-13 and the Pistons were 13-12.
Flip's definitely out-performing Larry.
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