This thread demonstrates why I flame Ghost. His takes are weak at best and to top it off he thinks that being a fan of a team means that you have to be miserable. If you aren't miserable he wants you to be so.
You guys bring nothing substantial to the table.
If we han't been fortunate enough to win a le this season, this place would be up in arms about forsaking two years to land no star.
We were lucky to win a le in a rebuilding year.
Did the Holt-ing Pattern result in us not winning the year before?
One thing has nothing to do wuth the other.
The bottom line is that the front office passed on free agent signings and trades to clear cap space to bring in a star this summer.
That did not work.
Next.
Ghost, the next time you have anything to say on the cap will be your first. You are a damn joke for someone who has spent as much time in this forum and the old one as you have. F'in idiot.
This seems to be a recurring theme in all your posts, Ghost.If we han't been
Ghost -Manny, as one of the most high-profile posters in Spurs Fan Forum history....A little impressed with yourself?
My whole beef with the Holting Pattern doesn't lie in the results nearly as much as in the philosophy. I have a problem with the mentality of "we're going to obtain ending contracts, refuse any trades if the contracts extend beyond 2003, and bide our time until the summer of 2003." That philosophy is rooted in complacency. Why sacrifice two years just for a mere chance at signing some free agents? There are no guarantees in that, but I suppose there also weren't guarantees that we would've done any better had we made trades.
Unlike Ghost, I can't come up with a huge list of trades that I wish we had made. I certainly would've considered the Payton trade at the time, but looking back on it I see that keeping Parker and Rose was a good move. I wish we had looked at Abdur-Rahim a little more, especially since he is a lot better than Nesterovic. The Mercer and Artest deal is one that I am glad we didn't make. However, the main point here is that many people aren't accounting for the trades we refused that never became public knowledge. Who knows what we could've refused in the name of cap space?
I can't argue that the Holting Pattern put us in a position to make a lot of noise this summer. On that count, it's too early to declare the Holting Pattern a success or failure. I am very disappointed in having to resort to signing Nesterovic. I trust that Pop and R.C. will do their best with Nesterovic and with the rest of the summer though. Their average is much better that most front offices' best.
The whole arguement against what the front office has done is based on a bunch of big ass what ifs and not the fact that it doesn't get much better than what it already is at.
So to you, it doesn't get much better than waiting two years for the Spurs to sign Rasho Nesterovic?!? I'm reserving judgment until this thing is over, but even the biggest homer has to admit that the Holting Pattern has yielded us none of our top choices going into the summer.The whole arguement against what the front office has done is based on a bunch of big ass what ifs and not the fact that it doesn't get much better than what it already is at. -Manny
Hopefully that will change in the next two weeks with the signing of Elton Brand.
b]Manny[/b], try that again, but in English this time.
I agree 100% with Admiral. Who knows what trades or signings the Spurs could've made?
I just have never been a fan of forsaking the 'now' for an uncertain 'future'.
We are now seeing how difficult it is to lure star talent from another team.
It's not over yet.
We'll see what happens. I hope we get Brand or Odom.
My whole beef with the Holting Pattern doesn't lie in the results nearly as much as in the philosophy. I have a problem with the mentality of "we're going to obtain ending contracts, refuse any trades if the contracts extend beyond 2003, and bide our time until the summer of 2003." That philosophy is rooted in complacency. Why sacrifice two years just for a mere chance at signing some free agents? There are no guarantees in that, but I suppose there also weren't guarantees that we would've done any better had we made trades.
Unlike Ghost, I can't come up with a huge list of trades that I wish we had made. I certainly would've considered the Payton trade at the time, but looking back on it I see that keeping Parker and Rose was a good move. I wish we had looked at Abdur-Rahim a little more, especially since he is a lot better than Nesterovic. The Mercer and Artest deal is one that I am glad we didn't make. However, the main point here is that many people aren't accounting for the trades we refused that never became public knowledge. Who knows what we could've refused in the name of cap space?
I can't argue that the Holting Pattern put us in a position to make a lot of noise this summer. On that count, it's too early to declare the Holting Pattern a success or failure. I am very disappointed in having to resort to signing Nesterovic. I trust that Pop and R.C. will do their best with Nesterovic and with the rest of the summer though. Their average is much better that most front offices' best.
Complacency sucks.
Good point Ghost. But, you seem fairly condifent that whatever trades or signings we would have made would have automatically led to more championships than the one we just won.I agree 100% with Admiral. Who knows what trades or signings the Spurs could've made?
What is there to complain about again?
My whole beef with the Holting Pattern doesn't lie in the results nearly as much as in the philosophy. I have a problem with the mentality of "we're going to obtain ending contracts, refuse any trades if the contracts extend beyond 2003, and bide our time until the summer of 2003." That philosophy is rooted in complacency. Why sacrifice two years just for a mere chance at signing some free agents? There are no guarantees in that, but I suppose there also weren't guarantees that we would've done any better had we made trades.
God this is such a joke. There's a reason the Spurs did what they did: TO GIVE TIM DUNCAN A REASON TO STAY IN SAN ANTONIO.
What about this is so hard for you two to understand about that? Dammit get a ing clue already.
I've realized his problem in one post.
He doesn't realize what he's advocating is actually what he says he's against.
Passing up on now for an uncertain future.
Once again boys and girls:
Can someone explain to me how trades give way to a certain future?
Manny, consistency is Ghost's forte, didn't you know that?
Because we'd have star talent signed right now."Can someone explain to me how trades give way to a certain future?" — Manny
scott, there is nothing to complain about. I am just concerned that we may fall behind the Lakers again if we don't add another star, that's all.
I got my fingers crossed for Brand or Odom.
So you have a better 10 years after that.Why sacrifice two years just for a mere chance at signing some free agents?
So you can develop young talent.
So you aren't stuck with just whoever you can trade for that doesn't fit into your long term plans.
What is so damn hard to understand about this?
, at least the Spurs are still on the upswing with this team instead of locked into a lot of old and decaying talent for the future. Duncan's a less of a lock to remain in SA under that scenario.
Stop complaining and ing enjoy this team's success or go slit your wrists already. If you are miserable at this point become a Hawks fan or something.
Marcus, if you fully endorsed the Holt-ing Pattern, how come you had a penchant for coming up with literally dowzens of trade scenarios over the past two years when I told you that was a big waste of time?
Question.
So I have to refrain from discussing scenarios simply because I favored a certain strategy? WTF?
Ghost, if you fully endorsed the 'Blow It All NOW" strategy why did you celebrate when the Spurs won the championship this year?
Apology accepted. ' . Holting Pattern. Etc...
Championship > Star Talent.
"So I have to refrain from discussing scenarios simply because I favored a certain strategy? WTF?" — Marcus
That's p1ss.
You invented scenarios where the Spurs could trade for star talent with contracts that extended beyond 2003.
How could you endore the Holt-ing Pattern and simultaneously create ways to get out of it?
Question.
And please don't say "For the sake of conversation.".
Ghost, if you fully endorsed the 'Blow It All NOW" strategy why did you celebrate when the Spurs won the championship this year?
Answer the Popd@mn question.
I discussed some trades that consisted of using the Spurs' cap flexibility this summer in deals. Under your "BLOW IT ALL NOW" strategy the Spurs would never have had that option.
Anser mine first, b1tch.
I already told you that if we added a star, I believe we possibly could've won two les and still have star talent under contract.
Unlike you, I never dodge a Question.
Now answer why you were the leader of creating trade proposals during the Holt-ing Pattern. please.
What now, child? What now? The Spurs would never have had the opportunity to trade that cap felxibility under all of your scenarios. The Spurs won a ing championship this year in case you haven't noticed. And they did that despite your assurances that they never would.
Suck it, trick.
You're hopeless.
While I always give you honest answers to your questions (which always try to derail the conversation when you're busted), you never have to courage to answer mine.
Why did you come up with dozens of trade proposals to trade for talent dudring the Holt-ing Pattern?
Question, b1tch.
Yeah, I came up with "trade proposals" with the idea of the Spurs using the cap flexibility coming up in this summer as an asset to deal to other teams. I don't see how this is inconsistent. This is not the same as you just wanting to do trades to do trades.
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