gay marriage banned

[MaNuMaNiAc]

This is why I stay out of the political forum....

People are passionate about what they believe in.

No matter who says what... the other side will consider that person an idiot or a bigot. It goes back and forth......back and forth...

Anyways.

I won't say what my position is lest I get e-slaughtered. But know this:

Those claiming moral high ground and those denoucing it are no different in their beliefs. Everyone has had unique life experiences that have shaped their entire belief system. So people must realize that a thread such as this one will rarely ever change someone else's opinions. And insults will do nothing but inhibit the genuine exchange of ideas.

I have found that many of the people that believe in absolute Truth haven't done a very good job of embodying the ideals that it represents: "Judge not lest ye be judged." Unfortunately because they call themselves "Christian conservatives" and blindly follow the 'pack' without a real discernment of the underlying principles behind their 'beliefs,' they subject the genuine believers to the same sort of stereotyping the left wing is always denouncing.


Those offended by the belief of absolute Truth however, will always attack the fact that "black and white" positions can exist for moral dilemmas; unfortunately they always see the concept as a personal attack. The other side has the same problem, can they live in a world that is too "liberal" for their beliefs; should they do something about it? This is why the concept of moralistic relativism is flawed: every generation will do what it sees fit and justified, but is that right???


If my beliefs permitted me to kill my children even though I was the overwhelming minority should my rights be protected?? (extreme example I know) The society we live in today has come to an understanding that this is wrong. The people have voted. 200 years down the road will this still be a wrong? Who knows, but more than likely yes. The point I bring out, is that in God's absolute Truth this was wrong 4000 years ago, it is wrong today, and will continue to be wrong in the future (I kind of gave my position away).

Those decrying the travesty against human expression and decrying the lopsidedness of the recent vote... what do you propose? That we ignore what 80% of the population has agreed with in principle. Believe in it or not, that is why democracy is still only governed by the masses. That is why politicians lobby the masses in order to sway the vote towards their own interests. Is that justice? Again in today's world you will ALWAYS get a relativistic answer.

Let's just face it, we live in a screwed up world.

I agree with most of your points, except for that analogy you made about the right to kill your kid as opposed to gay marriage, and let me tell you I find ludicrous! For one thing, the most obvious flaw with that comparison is the fact that in your scenario the little kid's right to live is being trampled, what right do you suppose gay's are trampling over when they get married?? I know you said extreme example, but the point is, its the wrong example, they have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

Secondly, just because there is a majority who is ignorant and backwards thinking does not make their decisions the right way to go. From any standpoint, banning gay marriage is WRONG! I really don't see how anyone can argue intelligently for it! and so far, the bigots in this thread have no had a decent argument.

[Spurminator]

Darn tootin we dont want no got-ass s having butt sex in their own homes. That's illegitimate.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

And so our forefathers where a bunch of idots. Not the bunch of fatheads that have come along in recent years. Maybe, just maybe, some people are trying to go back to what made this nation what it was and what made it great. It sure wasn't a bunch of s and lesbo's and dope heads who want to legitimize their sex acts and call themselves families.

here is a prime example of what ignorance is all about Are you so blind you can't see how incredibly intolerant and hating you are??

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Darn tootin we dont want no got-ass s having butt sex in their own homes. That's illegitimate.

please tell me you're joking

[xrayzebra]

you sir, are a true american. god bless you

I will accept that as a compliment. I have done my share and wished I was still young enough to do more. I love being an American and proud of my country. Many have spilled their blood and given their life for others, in other countries. More than I can say for many who want this country to go down in defeat just to regain political power. I welcome all who come here wanting to be Americans. But I don't want those who would make this country into the country they left. Not very PC of me, is it?

Bye the way American is spelled with a capital "A". Remember that!

[Oh, Gee!!]

Ah, the good ol' days. Back when you could call a Black person "Boy" and no one would say a word. Back when the only Mexicans you saw were mowing your grass. Back when women were real women and didn't have opinions or an education. Trent Lott and I sure do miss those days.

back when doctors smoked cigarettes in the delivery room. back when the only way to determine whether someone was a witch was to drown them. back when true american heroes could buy acres of land from injuns for a couple of pretty buttons and a promise to let them maintain their savage ways.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I will accept that as a compliment.

you're even more stupid than I thought. welcome to amerikkka asshole

[Spurminator]

It sure wasn't a bunch of s and lesbo's and dope heads who want to legitimize their sex acts

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[Spurminator]

I will accept that as a compliment. I have done my share and wished I was still young enough to do more. I love being an American and proud of my country. Many have spilled their blood and given their life for others, in other countries.

Damn right, our grandpappies died so we wouldn't have to live around no in goty ass fudgepackers.

[Mr. Peabody]

you're even more stupid than I thought. welcome to amerikkka asshole

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[Mr. Peabody]

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[Oh, Gee!!]

Double Post, Peabody? Your joke wasn't that funny

[Phenomanul]

I agree with most of your points, except for that analogy you made about the right to kill your kid as opposed to gay marriage, and let me tell you I find ludicrous! For one thing, the most obvious flaw with that comparison is the fact that in your scenario the little kid's right to live is being trampled, what right do you suppose gay's are trampling over when they get married?? I know you said extreme example, but the point is, its the wrong example, they have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

Secondly, just because there is a majority who is ignorant and backwards thinking does not make their decisions the right way to go. From any standpoint, banning gay marriage is WRONG! I really don't see how anyone can argue intelligently for it! and so far, the bigots in this thread have no had a decent argument.

Now that I think about it, and I didn't do it intentionally, doesn't abortion cause the same type of aversion towards the "conservatives" (someone in this thread mentioned Roe vs. Wade...). It goes back to suggesting that humans are complicated beings.

The example then is not as far fetched as I once thought.

[Mr. Peabody]

The point I bring out, is that in God's absolute Truth this was wrong 4000 years ago, it is wrong today, and will continue to be wrong in the future (I kind of gave my position away).

I have read the Bible and I haven't seen the passage where it says that there should be a state amendment banning gay marriage.

My Bible is an abridged version (actually it's on CD, so I didn't actually read it, just listened), so maybe that part got left out in my copy.

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[jochhejaam]

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It's legal spur so cut the theatrics.
It's also abnormal, should always be defined as such and there's no compelling reason or obligation for others to condone or mainstream it.

Legal and abnormal, anything wrong with that definition?

[Spurminator]

It's also abnormal, should always be defined as such and there's no compelling reason or obligation for others to condone or mainstream it.

Why is it abnormal, why should it be defined as such and why is allowing gay marriage mainstreaming it any more than allowing gay lifestyle?

[Phenomanul]

I have read the Bible and I haven't seen the passage where it says that there should be a state amendment banning gay marriage.

My Bible is an abridged version (actually it's on CD, so I didn't actually read it, just listened), so maybe that part got left out in my copy.

Goddam Amazon.com!

I can read between the sarcasm, so I'll play along....

Read Romans Chapter 1.

It talks about absolute Truth with regards to human actions.

[Spurminator]

No it doesn't. It talks about God punishing the wicked. There's nothing about the government's role in enforcing God's morality.

I want to live in a country where people are free to sin and go to for it.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

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It's legal spur so cut the theatrics.
It's also abnormal, should always be defined as such and there's no compelling reason or obligation for others to condone or mainstream it.

Legal and abnormal, anything wrong with that definition?

abnormal to whom? abnormal to you maybe, but to them is a way of living. Either way, what you're saying is gays shouldn't be allowed to marry because they have anal sex?? Then what about the men and women who have anal sex? should they be prevented from getting married because they have anal sex? Just because you find it abnormal does not mean you have the right to tell people not to do it.

[Spurminator]

It never ceases to amaze me that people still use the Bible to argue for a legal standard of marriage when some of the most celebrated Biblical figures had multiple wives and sex partners.

[Phenomanul]

No it doesn't. It talks about God punishing the wicked. There's nothing about the government's role in enforcing God's morality. .

You skipped my point entirely... I'm talking about the fact that an absolute Truth does exist. The act of sexuality is an abomination before God; it is clear in that passage.

We have brought it upon ourselves to govern ourselves and so we suffer the complexity of trying to define human essence. This is not possible, which is why we struggle. I realize no reference to goverment is made in that passage.

I want to live in a country where people are free to sin and go to for it.

You already do.... the gay lifestyle is legal, dishonoring your parents is legal, certain forms of theft are legal, corruption is illegal but nevertheless exists, hate is legal -- no one forces you to love someone else, the list of your freedoms is infinite compared to someone say in.... China.

[SpursWoman]

I want to live in a country where people are free to sin and go to for it.

[Spurminator]

I'm talking about the fact that an absolute Truth does exist. The act of sexuality is an abomination before God; it is clear in that passage.

What does a Biblical reference to Absolute Truth (which I still cannot find in that chapter - perhaps you could point out the specific verse) have to do with our government today? And if you're not talking about government, what is your point at all?

You already do.... the gay lifestyle is legal, dishonoring your parents is legal, certain forms of theft are legal, corruption is illegal but nevertheless exists, hate is legal -- no one forces you to love someone else, the list of your freedoms is infinite compared to someone say in.... China.

Yet we still make laws and obsess over the sins of others, under the irrational fear that allowing certain things will "legitimize" those sins.

We still censor media, we show preference to certain kinds of relationships, and we still censor education and keep children in bubbles.

[Phenomanul]

It never ceases to amaze me that people still use the Bible to argue for a legal standard of marriage when some of the most celebrated Biblical figures had multiple wives and sex partners.

Those stories are there for a purpose.... to show that multiple wives do not lead to happiness. Most of those examples ended up in disaster and reveal that the search for God's Truth is one of our essential purposes. The search for self gratification, greed, self-indulgence, NEVER led to good.

Read what the richest and wisest man wrote in his old age (I would also include the fact he had over 1000 wives), that his search for knowledge, wisdom, riches or pleasure was all vanity when compared to the search of understanding God's heart.

[gtownspur]

Thats it
this is my last policial post

you ing disgust me gtownspur, and may see this is a victory

but i swear, when you feel piss flowing onto the painful agonizing festering wounds on your immolated head, know its me, from the promised land, laughing at you, because I lived a life trying to tell people of basic wrongs, and though i failed and gave into certain evils, those evils were never and are never going to be equal to the condemnable evils you and others like you suc b to by saying such ing stupid .

I END WITH THIS

PEOPLE WHO ING THINK LIKE YOU ARE THE DOWNFALL OF WHAT WAS POTENTIALLY THE GREATEST SOCIETY IN HUMAN HISTORY!!!!


THINK OF WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU TRUELY WANT IN A SOCIETY!!!

THINK WHAT THE LONGTERM CONSEQUENCES OF SUCH A SOCIETY ARE!!!



you

Did i mean what i say about butt ing? NO. I stated in that same post that i was just giving you ammo to act hysterical. Do i care. No. I dont want gays to suffer or be tortured, that's only what you think of me and 80% of the people in this forum. You are the bag. You truly believe your incendiary words when you post. If you ever go to heaven hopefuly you'll be more mature. As for you wishing i rot in . whatever. You're just a little .