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Ofcourse not, but thinking that blacks are sentenced to death for being black by a mixed african american and white jury, is even more re ed.So all that nuances just so happen to be in favor of non-minority defendants. Wow. What a coincidence!
How is that obviously bull ?If that's the case than obviously that is bull .
Look at the numbers.
Ofcourse not, but thinking that blacks are sentenced to death for being black by a mixed african american and white jury, is even more re ed.So all that nuances just so happen to be in favor of non-minority defendants. Wow. What a coincidence!
Murder is murder....armed robbery is armed robbery....etc. The punishment for each should be handed out equally regardless of race. Whether it's the death penalty or life or whatever.
You are right that every case has its nuances. Some defendants are minorities and some are not. Some victimes are white and some are not. These two "nuances" seem to play a large role in the sentencing of the death penalty.
Did you even read what I quoted as being "bull "? I was agreeing with your point.
Did you even read what I quoted as being "bull "? I was agreeing with your point.I read your statement as saying my assertion was bull .
Well, if race isn't a factor, why are minorities more likely to be sentenced to death than their non-minority counterparts? Do they all just commit more heinous crimes?Ofcourse not, but thinking that blacks are sentenced to death for being black by a mixed african american and white jury, is even more re ed.
Why is a person more likely to receive the death penalty for killing a non-minority than for killing a minority? There has to be an explanation.
Chill out, i agree with you. But not all murder gets capital punishment. Crimes of passions are generally excluded.
Who knows? Minorities and non minorities doesnt paint the whole picture. The victims could range from various age groups to warrant the death penalty. The whole race bs is flawed since you are going to have a mixed court to decide that.
You know the answer to that question. But to tear the entire system down for it is not the answer.
No, I think his point is that the sentence for a white man shooting a police officer should be exactly as that of a black man that shot a police officer...when more likely than not, the white man's won't be as severe as the black man's.
I absolutely don't agree with that that. They should both fry.
I agree. But my post was saying in essence that killing a police officer and killing a child will warrant two different punishments. The study Peabody is using might be flawed if its accounting all cases of murder.
I was so hopeful as I started reading this post.No, I think his point is that the sentence for a white man shooting a police officer should be exactly as that of a black man that shot a police officer...when more likely than not, the white man's won't be as severe as the black man's.
I absolutely don't agree with that that. They should both fry.
And so dissapointed in the end.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
We're talking about cases where the party is eligible to receive the death penalty.
This is from one of the sources I cited earlier, and seems to address teh empirical evidence that User is looking for:
* More than 118 people have been exonerated from death row since 1972, including 21 from the state of Florida and 18 from the state of Illinois. (Death Penalty Information Center)
* In the 25 years from 1973 to 1998, there were an average of 2.96 Exonerations per year. In the five years since 1998, thru 2003, that average has risen to 7.60 Exonerations. (Death Penalty Information Center)
* In the U.S., as of June 2002, 108 people including 12 death row inmates, have been exonerated by use of DNA tests. (“DNA Testing and the Death Penalty.” 2002, ACLU.)
* On the federal level, 3.5% of persons whom the Attorney General has attempted to execute have been innocent. In one example of state-level problems, Illinois (prior to Governor Ryan’s blanket commutation) had an error rate of at least 4.5%. (American Civil Liberties Union)
* A study identified 23 instances in the last century in which a person with an extraordinarily strong case of innocence had been executed by the government (H. Bedeau & M. Radelet, “Miscarriages of Justice in Potentially Capital Cases” Stanford Law Review, 1987). Since 1987, eight cases have been reported.
According to Barry Scheck:
There have been at least 73 postconviction DNA exonerations in North America; 67 in the United States, and 6 in Canada. Our Innocence Project at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law has either assisted or been the attorney of record in thirtynine of those cases, including eight individuals who served time on death row. In sixteen of these seventy-three postconviction exonerations, DNA testing has not only remedied a terrible miscarriage of justice, but led to the identification of the real perpetrator.
The Journal of Law and Contemporary Problems notes that "Undoubtedly, there are many more cases in which innocent persons have been convicted of homicide that have yet to be thoroughly do ented and acknowledged by government officials, much less publicized in a way that will allow those who care to learn lessons from them." But the article goes on to explain that "If the history of the last twenty years is any guide to the future, an average of 3 death row inmates per year will continue to be vindicated and released. How many equally innocent death row inmates will be unsuccessful in obtaining relief is impossible to know, but the number most certainly is not zero."
I have changed my stance.
I am now anti-death penalty IN ALL CASES.
it is tragic if any innocent man should die...even though countless do every day, one way or another...
The state must level the punishment fit for the crime. Would you rather have him buttraped and rot in jail.
1) Death penalty is the biggest waste of money we have in our criminal justice system. It costs more to execute a criminal than it does to hold them in prison for life. (in terms of additional trial costs, appeals, and extra detention costs)
2) I don't really think the death penalty deters as much as those who support it think it does.
3) The cost of making mistakes is more than I am willing to bear morally. Taking a life doesn't allow for a lot of room for error in my opinion.
Well le' me take a poke at it.
So is the war on poverty, all the Great society programs, Border patrol, and airport security, but i don't see you make a move to slash those programs.
Incarcreration doesn't deter crime either, what do you propose? Time out?2) I don't really think the death penalty deters as much as those who support it think it does.
There are casualties of War gentlemen.
Those are the facts. If you can't stand the heat? Stand aside.
So there have been 997 executions since 1976 and out of those 23 have had strong cases of innocence. Now those cases have not been proven in a court of law that the executed were innocent, but even if we say they were without a doubt innocent, that is only 2.3% over the last ~30 years!
Now something that has not been brought up in here yet is how much better the system has become over time and expecially in recent years. DNA testing and modern forensics have been the major reasons why more people are being exonerated today. People who might have been executed in the past are now set free by these new technologies and advancements. Take a look at the following quotes about cases of people that have been recently found innocent or have strong cases proving their innocence. Notice the dates on these files. Now of course this doesn't mean the modern legal system is fool proof, just that we have come a long way since a majority of these death penalty cases were first in court.
RECENT CASES OF EXONERATION:
* In 1985, Kirk Bloodsworth was convicted and sentenced to death in Maryland for sexually assaulting and killing a nine year old girl. His arrest was based on an anonymous caller reporting to the police that he had seen Bloodsworth with the victim that day and the concurrence of five eyewitnesses who said they had seen Bloodsworth with the victim. AT trial, testimony was given, stating that Bloodsworth had said he had done something to affect his relationship with his wife and that he had mentioned a bloody rock (that was previously shown to him during interrogation). The only physical evidence presented was a shoe print, matching his size, left at the crime scene. Bloodsworth’s death sentence was overturned in appeals and converted to two life sentences, and in 1992 DNA testing was found to exclude Bloodsworth as the perpetrator. Bloodsworth was pardoned in 1993, and became the first death row inmate released through DNA testing, after having spent eight years on Maryland’s death row. (The Innocence Project)
* Verneal Jimerson and Dennis Williams were sentenced to death in Illinois as a part of the “Ford Heights Four,” a group of men convicted of murdering a young couple and raping the woman in 1978. The state’s chief witness claimed to have been present in the house where the couple was killed, and pinpointed Jimerson, Williams, and two others as the perpetrators. The witness recanted, and the charges against Jimerson were dropped. The other three defendants, however, were placed near the scene of the crime that night (which was in the neighborhood they resided in) and were indicted anyway. After her recantation, the witness was convicted as an accomplice to perjury, and in 1985, agreed to again testify according to her original story. Jimerson was subsequently sentenced to death. It was not until David Protess and a group of students from Northwestern University researched the case that police files were uncovered, do enting tips that named other possible suspects. Through their research, biological testing, including DNA testing, was performed, wherein the four defendants were excluded as perpetrators. They were released in 1996 after Williams and Jimerson has spent 18 and 11 years, respectively, facing the death sentence. (The Innocence Project)
* Frank Lee Smith was sentenced to death in Florida in 1986 for the murder and rape of an eight year old girl during an attempted burglary. His conviction was based on the eyewitness testimony of the victim’s mother, who claimed to have seen Smith through the front window of her house. Two neighbors also claimed to have seen Smith directly following the incident and their reports were used to compile a composite sketch which was used to arrest Smith. The testimony of these eyewitnesses, as well as the presentation of Smith’s criminal record, earned Smith the death sentence by a unanimous jury. Smith was granted a stay of execution in 1990 and the Florida Supreme Court ordered an evidentiary hearing in 1998, based on defense claims of new evidence. One of the eyewitnesses had changed her story, and an investigation by the defense had led to another suspect. In January of 2000, while the renewed investigation continued to take place, Smith died of cancer, still on death row. It was not until December of that year that prosecutors and the FBI obtained DNA evidence that exonerated Smith of the crime. Frank Lee Smith spent a total of 14 years on death row and died in prison for a crime he did not commit. (The Innocence Project)
* In 1991, Ray Krone was arrested and subsequently convicted and sentence to death for the killing of a Phoenix, Arizona woman in the restroom of a bar. Krone, who had no prior criminal record, was arrested based on a statement by the victim’s friend that he was supposed to have helped her close the bar (where she worked) that night. Although saliva and blood were found on the victim’s body at the scene of the crime, no DNA testing was originally performed, and the only physical evidence presented at trial were the bite mark imprints left on the victim’s body that supposedly matched a Styrofoam impression made by Krone. Convicted in 1992 and sentenced to death, Krone received a new trial four years later, and was sentenced to life in prison. Finally, in 2002, DNA testing was performed on the blood and saliva present at the crime scene, and Krone was exonerated. He had spent a total of 10 years in prison, four of which were spent awaiting execution. (The Innocence Project)
RECENT CASES WITH STRONG POSSIBILITY OF INNOCENCE:
* Texas executed Gary Graham on July 22, 2000 despite claims that he was innocent. Graham was 17 when he was charged with the 1981 robbery and shooting of Bobby Lambert outside a Houston supermarket. He was convicted primarily on the testimony of one witness, Bernadine Skillern, who said she saw the killer's face for a few seconds through her car windshield, from a distance of 30 -40 feet away. Two other witnesses, both who worked at the grocery store and said they got a good look at the assailant, said Graham was not the killer but were never interviewed by Graham's court appointed attorney, Ronald Mock, and were not called to testify at trial. Three of the jurors who voted to convict Graham signed affidavits saying they would have voted differently had all of the evidence been available. (Death Penalty Information Center)
* Florida convicted Leo Jones on March 28,1998 - Jones was convicted of murdering a police officer in Jacksonville, Florida. Jones signed a confession after several hours of police interrogation, but he later claimed the confession was coerced. In the mid-1980s, the policeman who arrested Jones and the detective who took his confession were forced out of uniform for ethical violations. The policeman was later identified by a fellow officer as an "enforcer" who had used torture. Many witnesses came forward pointing to another suspect in the case. (Death Penalty Information Center)
what is your fascination with gay sex? It seems as though half of your posts include comments about anal penetration and the other half you accuse other posters of being gay.
I have mentioned this before. I think gtown is probably just a curious young man exploring alternative lifestyles.
On a related topic, what is your fascination with gtown?
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